Replacing a 9800 XT Pro?

[Gixer]

I used to have a 19" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro SB CRT monitor which had a pitch Grille.  I used to run this @1600x1200 @85Hz and the screenshot image quality produced on it by my 6800Ultra was amazing and my sim also looked superb.

Due to living arangements changing I had to go to back to an LCD (I had one before the Mitsi) to save space  :'(

I brought a decent one, could be the same one as yours Nick as it is a decent 17" Sony one with X-black techonology, fast refresh rate etc.  It is a much better LCD monitor than the first one I owned, however it's still not up to the job of the CRT.  It will be a while before LCD's catch up with the likes of CAD style CRT's I think.

My CRT monitor would run 2048X**** I think and that many pixels squished into an 18" viewable are gives extreme crispness, though I did run FS9 @1600x1200 as that is all that was necessary. To get that res on an LCD the smallest you can buy is 20.1" viewable I believe so the image still wont be as sharp IMO.  I cant wait until we get higher definition LCD monitors where a 17" TFT will have a native res of 1600x1200  8)

[NicksFXHouse]

[quote]I used to have a 19" Mitsubishi Diamond Pro SB CRT monitor which had a pitch Grille.

[Harold]

What's your opinion on the Gainward BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB GS+?

[cheesegrater]

Gainward make quality cards. If I had the choice to buy from any company I would buy Gainward, but we don't have them in North America. 7800GS is probably the best AGP card you can buy.

Also, Gainward has another version of that 7800GS with a 7800GT core with 20 pixel pipelines instead of 16.

http://www.gainward.net/products/produc ... ucts_id=29

[NicksFXHouse]

Gainward make quality cards. If I had the choice to buy from any company I would buy Gainward, but we don't have them in North America. 7800GS is probably the best AGP card you can buy.

Also, Gainward has another version of that 7800GS with a 7800GT core with 20 pixel pipelines instead of 16.

http://www.gainward.net/products/produc ... ucts_id=29

Unfortunately that is PCIe... he needs AGP

I would say the AGP version of the card would be a good choice. It appears to be one of the only 512 cards available for the 7800gs series and includes the outputs other cards do not have.

BFG would probably be my first choice however they do not make a 512 version.

What I dont like about the gainward is they do not provide the type of specs I want to see such as memory bandwidth and a few other choice specs. On the outside and based on the branding specs it looks like a good choice.

Also.. this sort of concerns me:


Gainward BLISS 7800GS AGP is back
2006-04-19
Second time around is always better!
Famous BLISS 7800GS 512MB AGP is back and improved. The last one was based on GeForce 7800GT GPU, this one will surprise you even more.....



The second time?

Makes me wonder what happened the first time around because the reason it was pulled is never what they advertise.  ;D

[cheesegrater]

It is AGP.

[NicksFXHouse]

It is AGP.

DOAH!

BRRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrP!

Thats what I get for drinking and forum driving

[cheesegrater]

Other manufacturers don't tell you much either. BFG lists million vertices/sec and memory bandwidth but don't list # of pipelines or memory interface. XFX list memory bandwidth and memory interface. The only decent official sites that I've seen are Leadtek and PNY.

[NicksFXHouse]

BFG Tech
GPU: G70
Release Date: 2006-02-02
Interface: AGP 8X
Core Clock: 375 MHz
Memory Clock: 600 MHz (1200 DDR)
Memory Bandwidth: 38.4 GB/sec
Shader Operations: 6000 Operations/sec
Pixel Fill Rate: 3000 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 6000 MTexels/sec
Vertex Operations: 562.5 MVertices/sec
Details
Noise Level: Moderate
Framebuffer: 256 MB
Memory Type: GDDR3
Memory Bus Type: 64x4 (256 bit)
DirectX Compliance: 9.0
OpenGL Compliance: 2.0
PS Version: 3.0
VS Version: 3.0
Process: 110 nm
Fragment Pipelines: 16 (24)
Vertex Pipelines: 6 ( 8 )
Texture Units: 16 (24)
Raster Operators 8 (16)


You have to dig deeper than the website. Thats the BFG version which is based on the original Nvidia release... Im still looking for the Gainward specs which I believe "may" be based on the G71 core release which means the Gainward card is actually crippled because the G71 has 24 pipes


Also... the 7950 is about to be released as a single GPU card: http://it.com.cn/f/diy/068/14/310973_1.htm

Those powerpoint shots are supposably from a Nvidia meeting a few months ago.

The 7900GTX cards are about to drop in price... big time

[NicksFXHouse]

What's your opinion on the Gainward BLISS 7800GS Silent 512MB GS+?

Harold... If I were you I would wait.

According to the buzzzzzzzz

[cheesegrater]

@Cheesegrater

That link you posted... according to what I dug up that is an old card. Gainward relpaced that one with the link Harold provided. Although you can still buy the 7739-BLISS 7800GS, Gainward quit making it and now sells the 7876-BLISS 7800GS.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as they no longer link the 7739 on their cards list.

[NicksFXHouse]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking as they no longer link the 7739 on their cards list.

Yea... its confirmed.. The link Harold posted is a G71 core that has been crippled and that is why they are calling it a 7800 and not a 7900GS

The bad thing about it is because if it is crippled the x850xt PE AGP still beats it.

I think Nvidia is hitting the market with an interm line of cards here in about 2 weeks which will include a FULL 7900GS AGP and a single core 7950GT (waste of money on that one)

If thats true, AGP users who do not plan on upgrading for about a year will have an upgrade that is actually WORTH the money

[cheesegrater]

I thought the link Harold posted is a standard 7800GS core, not a crippled 7900GS.

Beaten by a X850XT. Where are you getting that from?

On a Danish site it is almost twice as fast as the X850XT. I don't know which particular model they are reviewing though. It is linked from the card they are making now.

http://www.hardinfo.dk/show.asp?page=6577

[NicksFXHouse]

I thought the link Harold posted is a standard 7800GS core, not a crippled 7900GS.

Beaten by a X850XT. Where are you getting that from?

On a Danish site it is almost twice as fast as the X850XT. I don't know which particular model they are reviewing though. It is linked from the card they are making now.

http://www.hardinfo.dk/show.asp?page=6577

I meant IF it was a crippled... When I posted that I did not know if it was or not for sure or if it was, how bad.


I just checked into it myself and found out it is NOT crippled and is the full 24 pipe G71 core which means it IS the best AGP card on the market.

Apparently Gainward released that card in April-May. Its not cheap either. 455USD shipped is allot of money for a AGP card.


EDIT: I'm still looking for the specs for the card because something about it doesn

[Mictheslik]

I would say keep the 9800 for now....it aint a bad card.

.mic