Radeon X700. You opinion wanted.

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Re: Radeon X700. You opinion wanted.

Postby candle_86 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:19 am

You don't know what your talking about Candle, please spare us.


Well taking into account the date the game was realased and the main design dates for FS9 you have to take into account MS wanted it to run on full on the cards at the time. Power users would insist on this. So in 2003 an FX51 with a 9800XT and 512mb of ram would run this game at 16x12. Now take into account, most systems in 2003 where P4 1.8-2.8 or XP1600-3200 with a handful of 64bit or 3ghz+ P4 systems. Also most users still had Ti4200's or FX5700, or 9600pro or 9500Pro. And 256-512mb of ram. Given that when this game was realesed these were the most common system type of gamers, I would then throeize that MS optimized the engine for this area of operation. Now fast forward an X700 scores ever so slightly higher than a 9800Pro and just under a 9800XT. And this fellows specs are right on the money with systems of late 03 except ram which is actully above the spec of most users of late 03. Now that taken into account would then mean an x700 would preforms comparable to say a 5950 Ultra. Now an x700 card looks alot better for this doesn't it. No offense to anyone here but FS9 is not the most intense game out there, I played COD2 on a 6600 256mb vanila XP2600 1gb of ram at mid-high setting at an average of 33FPS on windows XP Pro SP2. Now if that system can run COD2 at that spec it would of had no issues with FS9 at all. And his system with an x700 would be about 3-4fps slower than mine was on COD2. Now if FS9 doesnt tax a system even close to that much, It would seem that an x700 is fine unless you want to run at 16x12  or multi moniter. Nither of which he requested to do. Advieing someone to spend money they do not have to, to acquire intened goals is pointless. If he wanted to play COD2 id say an upgrade but not for the FS9 game engine. Maybe for the FSX engine.


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check my information with any benchmarking site and you will see I am right.
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Re: Radeon X700. You opinion wanted.

Postby ctjoyce » Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:43 pm

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SHUT UP!!!!

FS9 is not graphically intensive, however IT IS SYSTEM INTENSIVE!!!!! AI, Autogen, weather, ATC, global details, and aircraft systems put alot more strain on your system than COD2 which is all graphics. So being able to play COD with 33+ FPS isnt going to mean your going to be able to do the same with FS9 more like 15.

Also the FS9 engine was built on the newest hardware of the time which had just gotten the latest DX and pixel shader operations, and really didn't know how to use them yet. Then the industry came out with new cards and the FS9 engine was finally used correctly. M$ knew this from the beginning. They created the game to last, and last it did. What you need to realise is games like that, BF, and others that come out every say 2~3 years look at makeing it run on todays top end systems, and tomorows middle of the road ones.

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Re: Radeon X700. You opinion wanted.

Postby candle_86 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:42 pm

What I understand is markting. No body, not even microsoft makes a game that the top computers can not handle. As for your FS9 is more demadning than the latest FPS games I recomend you look at some benchmarks. Flight simulators actully tax a system less. The ATC, weather and all arn't that taxing, belive it or not they are simple code that use very little resources in the game. I have checked this is fraps myself by disableing the advanced systems and seeing i get about a 3-4fps gain on a low end machine with a Pentium III. I know something about hardware and marking everyone here seems to not realize, no software house makes a game that will not run good on the current generation. An x700 is a good card for this game, and there is no point in someone blowing more cash for a better one. Also if you say it is more taxing on a system, those systems you named are CPU controled not GPU controled. I'll keep saying this because I do understand how these things work, a super highend card is not needed.
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Re: Radeon X700. You opinion wanted.

Postby faztech » Sun Mar 05, 2006 8:46 pm

Hi guys,

Guess what? I've bought X700 Pro, and it meets my expectation. Expectation is very subjective thing, but in my frame of reference, I can fly PMDG 737NG with 25 fps with everything ~80% to the max. That's is what I expected, and I enjoy.

Definately a balance between budget and performance.

Candle, thanx for your priceless points.
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Re: Radeon X700. You opinion wanted.

Postby candle_86 » Sun Mar 05, 2006 9:36 pm

Your very welcome, glad to be of serivce
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