CFS 3 vs. Forgotten Battles

[Gary R.]

What I wonder is why would people continue to plague themselves with this problematic and glitchy resource sucking arcadish CFS 3 platform when Forgotten Battle plus Ace Expansion Pack is so much superior in terms of both realism and performance???  I have experience with both.  My wife had bought me CFS 3 last year for my birthday and recently I bought the stand alone FB Ace Expansion Gold which includes basic FB plus two additional upgrades.  All I can say is I am glad my wife cannot tell the difference between WWII combat sims or she would be very hurt that I fight FB Ace Gold all the time and actually have CFS 3 removed to save space.

[Woodlouse2002]

Go down to the bottom of this forum and read through the "CFS3 or PF?" thread there.

If you like IL2 better then fine. Just don't look upon it as a reason to start jumping all over CFS3.

[Gary R.]

I read the thread and I must say that PF doesn't directly import anything from FB even though the platform is the same.  The flight modeling is different in FB. The IL2 family has gone through a lot of upgrades and patches since the first IL2 issue and is now a very reliable and realistic sim.  In fairness I haven't yet tried CFS 3 with the 1% upgrade mentioned.  Perhaps I will.  I know I don't like keyboarding for cockpit instruments, I prefer to click on them like in the civil sims and in CFS 1 and 2.  CFS 2 is still my all time favorite combat title.  Not the most realistic maybe but well balenced and at least on my equipment never any technical issues, just reliable and frame friendly and smooth.  And lots of fun to although scoring hits takes a lot of practice, which can be said about any gun fighting.

[Mathias]

Reason, beside CFS3 having better graphics engine, better flightmodels, open architecture etc etc pp and inspite of the bugs it shure has, is that we don't have as many idiots like yourself spamming boards with meaningless posts like yours.

[james007]

Mathias there is no need to insult anybody. Everyone has the right to there own opinion. I agree its a little bit classess to go a community and bash it . In my opinion FB its a better Simulator overall. that does not mean that CFS3 dose not has some its special qualities of its own.

Its a shame that Microsoft did such a poor job in not completing this program before it was release. The sceneries are the best in the Sim world. The planes exteriors are the best in CFS series.

But it also has many weakness. One of its biggest weakness was that it came without a MB. Another one is its

[Mathias]

Well James, there is no reason to be polite either when the same kind of trolls post the ever same type of spam over and over.
Just look one page back, the same topic fills 10 pages.
It's as simple as that, if you don't like a Sim stay away from it but seems our fellows from "the other game" are on some sort of missionary trip to heal the evil CFS3 world

BTW, Mission Builder is available at http://www.microsoft.com/games/combatfs3/

[james007]

Thank you Mathias for the Mision Builder information. This will do a lot to make this game more enjoyable to me. I do agree with you. I do beleive in freedom of speach very much. But to go to someone

[Gary R.]

Ah, I was not intending to bash the product.  If I were to bash it, I would go to MS to bash it.  I was just trying to get opinions on a purely academic level in order to answer curiosity I had based on my own experiences with the two sims.  In the process I also learned about enhancements to help improve CFS 3 to such effect that I re-installed it in anticipation of trying out these enhancements.  I find merrit in competing platforms all the time.  Over at the civil side I enjoy both FS 2002/2004 and Xplane 7xx.  They both have their good points and bad as well and I appreciate both for what they offer.  Also, last time I tried CFS 3 was with my old computer a year ago now.  It was a p3 800 with 512 ram and a 64 meg nvidia. I now have a athlon 2800 clocked to 2,3 ghz, 1 gig of ram and a 6600 GT.  After I re-installed CFS 3 I did some free flight and the performance was great.  I still prefer clickable cockpits I plan to invest in goflight controls or xkeys.  I am sure that wold take some of the game feeling out of using the keyboard.  

[Mathias]

[quote]Ah, I was not intending to bash the product.

[Gary R.]

Well, I certainly wouldn't mean to impune the people who really love the CFS 3 sim.  A lot of guys impune Xplane which I like as well as MSFS but I don't take it personally.  If you did by my opening post here then please forgive me.  I did learn some things available for CFS 3 that may make it more agreeable to my liking.  Afterall, its all about the fun of flying and the fascination of the machines that fly.  We all share that.

[AvHistory]

Yo Gary,

First you post

"""What I wonder is why would people continue to plague themselves with this problematic and glitchy resource sucking arcadish CFS 3 platform"""

Then y'all post

"""Ah, I was not intending to bash the product."""

Based on that I have to say a picture is worth 1000 words



nuff said.  ::)


BEAR

[Gary R.]

As I said to Mathias, if anyone took my criticism of the sim personally, please forgive me.  I didn't realize people would take it that way. Sorry.

[Woodlouse2002]

It's best not to come here singing Ubi-zoo's praises. We've heard it all before and you'll only get jumped on by Bear and Mathias.

[AvHistory]

Yall may find this of interest.

http://www.medairwar.com



Will Hunter speaking of the MAW project:

Oh, it is much, much more than an addon. It is a whole new combat flight sim. A stand alone, separate installation to your original ETO CFS3. A completely new theatre and that already looks far superior to the old CFS3 scenery. Some of the best quality 3D Max modellers in the world are building for it. I reckon at the time of release there will be fifty or more new aircraft, at least. All of them will have the lastest upgraded 1% flight dynamics and damage models from those 'experten' at AvHistory.

Fox is making the best visual FX I've ever seen. You should see his sand storms!

At the moment there are lots of ground facilities appearing. Many realistic buildings and even stuff like Bedouin tents with rugs. I've seen pictures of The Grand Harbour at Valetta in Malta that are mouth watering.

There will be flocks of birds in MAW. Soldiers in shorts rolling cigarettes, fighting battles, dropping by parachute out of Ju52s or Dakotas. Male and female civilians walking around, carts pulled by donkeys and horses, mules working treadmills. Farms with cows, (Frisian breed in Southern Europe, Kuri longhorn breed in North Africa) sheep, pigs, goats, wells, windmills, people riding bicycles and motor bikes, driving trucks, cars, tanks which the player will be able to drive as well. You will be able to 'drive' British, German, Italian, and American motor torpedo boats and fight battles on the Mediterranean Sea with torps, depth charges and guns. Yep, you can even try and sink the submarines! (Thanks to Greg Law who has already contributed an extraordinary amount of of things for MAW and just keeps 'pulling more and more rabbits out of his hat'.

Hopefully we'll be able to get farm animals animated so they will scatter like real livestock if you fly low over their paddocks. Maybe we'll get Guy (Fox) to make a dung FX so the cattle can raise their tails drop a load every so often!

All the new aircraft are a quantum leap forward from most of what has so far appeared. Excellent virtual cockpits, turrets, and other interiors. Recently saw a screenie looking down the insides of a Savioa-Marchetti SM79 fuselage with two waist gunners bashing away at Hurricanes or Gladiators. Gee, it looked great. We have a sizable collection in our Italian contingent who are doing some incredibly beautiful looking Regia Aeronautica aircraft, ships and many other details.

The Hurricanes are looking totally fantastic now. They have undergone an amazing evolution. Originally started by Partrick Didier. Then worked on by Mathias - new virtual cockpit. Winjeel took it over then and remodelled the wings so they look right. Leading edges fixed up and modeled landing lights. Winjeel has also produced Sea Hurricanes with animated landing hooks.

You'll see every version of Hurricane ever used in the Med, even the Mk.IID 'Tin Opener' with 40mm Vickers 'S' guns. Bravo 4 has been pouring out some of the best and most realistic skins I've ever seen for all these Hurris.

Ed Wilson has done some amazing looking P-40s, Steve Sybolt's got Stukas and lot's of other great stuff - armoured vehicles, PT boats, Dorniers and more. Fantastic Messerschmitts and Focke-Wulfs all new, Josh's done some new tropical Spits and Sea Spits. There are lots and lots of other things. Some I'm not even allowed to mention because we want to give people a few surprises.

I know that it's difficult to wait on something like this but it's a gigantic project and even with the forty or so people on the Desert Rats team working away madly on it, this kind of thing takes time. I'm sure you'll get your 'hot little hands' on it this year but it is silly for me to make an estimate as none of us really know ourselves. People are coming up with new ideas all the time.

Believe me, you won't be disappointed. Just be patient.

Will.

[james007]

The Med Theater is way over due. I am glad some one is making a sereous attempt to implement a version for us World war two Simmer to enjoy.

Iam wondering what will be your next project for the future. I hope it will be base on the CBI theater. Thats another Theater thats has been over looked by most developers. And I hope you will include two campaigns. One from the allied side and a another from the Axis side.

Thanks for the good news.
James007