CFS3 vs Il-2 FB

[nickle]

By golly you are right Bear.  RN Corsairs did fly in the European theater.  In 1943 as you state.

As a matter of interest:

What was their combat record in terms of kills in the European campaign?

How many RN Corsair squadrons were empoyed in the D Day June 1944 Normandy landings?  

Capt Eric Brown, RN, Test Pilot.  Flew all US/Br carrier fighters 1939 - 1970, 487 aircraft, last RN F4.  "Duels in the Sky" for those interested in comparisions between USN and J/N fighters.  He also flew J/N fighters for test.

His assessment Corsair v 109G: Favorable for the 109 but don't make tactical errors.

Vs 190: 190 without a doubt.

"Even the 2US F4U is a poor flying machine."
Make that 1US F4U.  Still a poor flying machine in the sim.  Unless accelerated stalls are a useful tactical manuver.  Believe it to be GMax problem.    

Interesting that CFS simmers are carrier qualified.  Just for grins; how many regularly make CV landings?  

[farmerdave]

I make CV landings fairly often in CFS2 campaigns, they didn't seem terribly hard to me.  

[BEAR_-_AvHistory]

nickle

Since you verified that F4U's were in fact in FAA active service flying combat missions in Europe & not in the "None participated" category that you originally claimed why don't you just look it up in the same place

[nickle]

Bear - All those numbers.  Good it's only a sim.

Opinion 190/Hellcat/Corsair:
"All those pilots agreed ..."  Sim pilots maybe???

Capt Brown Hellcat vs:

109G-6: The Hellcat had a distinct edge over the 109G-6 but would not be able to overcome it without a lot of pilot sweat.

190A-4: This was a contest so finely balanced that the skill of the pilot would probably be the deciding factor.

Capt Brown assessment is an estimate as neither Hellcat nor Corsair saw significant European combat.  Nod to the Capt over the Sim.  

In the Pacific the top fighter was the Hellcat with Corsair no 2.  Corkey Meyer Grumman test pilot 1940 - F-14 Flight Journal August 2003.

In the same mag, Corkey Meyer gives the P-47 the best EU fighter.  FW-190 no2.  Based on both air and air to ground performance.  In CFS3 the 47 is a truck.  Most effective 47 was the 25 and up with WEP, paddle prop, and lead computing gunsight.  Even so, earlier 47's had a clear edge over N fighters 20k and above due to engine supercharger match and elliptical wing.  Below bad. As USAAF Col remarked first fighter sweep France:  Good that it can dive because it can't climb.

Corkey Meyer in test Hellcat vs Truck above 20k was amazed that the 47 easily outmanuvered the Hellcat using the vertical.

[nickle]

Lt Hampton Grey, VC, RCNVR, Corsair pilot Tripitz action 1944:

http://www.navalandmilitarymuseum.org/r ... ray.html&1

[BEAR_-_AvHistory]

nickle,

>>>All those numbers.

[Woodlouse2002]

It strikes me that Mr. Meyer never flew Spitfires. In fact, as he swears so heavily on the Thunderbolt, I see that it's quite obvious that he never flew Tempests or Typhoons either.


And nickle, this is one argument your never going to win.

[nickle]

>>>All those numbers.  Good it's only a sim.<<<

It is a good PC sim made that way by AvHistory aircraft.
It

[BEAR_-_AvHistory]

nickle,

And clearly you favor Captain Brown over the USN test pilots as he supports your point of view.

[farmerdave]

IMHO, the biggest factor in combat is the pilot, not the plane.  To quote the Red Baron:"It's not the crate, it's the man sitting in it."

[nickle]

Gee Bear you took it so personal.

Yes indeed: Capt Brown and Meyers over BuAer.

Best carrier fighter by record:  F6F.

Corsair prone to stalls and rolls in sim.  Not representative of the real aircraft.

None of the 3US fighters will climb per specs.  Since you have the reference; check for yourself.

To paraphrase T Hanks:  Fighter Pilots don't cry.

[Mathias]

[quote]

None of the 3US fighters will climb per specs.

[BEAR_-_AvHistory]

Nickle,

>>>Corsair prone to stalls and rolls in sim.  Not representative of the real aircraft.

None of the 3US fighters will climb per specs.  Since you have the reference; check for yourself.<<<<

In addition to the references I also have the output charts of their specific climb performance taken real time in the game that demonstrate they are on the climb numbers listed in those same references.

Anyway, You are just continuing to repeat the same circular augment & adding nothing of value as it goes around since your opinions are all unsupported  by any evidence.  

Does not seem like there is anything more to say other then,  if you really believe, as you said earlier that



this is a  Hurricane how informed can your unsupported opinions on how the planes fly  possibly be

BEAR

[nickle]

For those interested in a test P-47

The USAAF specs call for a 14,500 lb aircraft (full fuel and FAMMO) to climb from 10k to 20k in 3 minutes mil (Not WEP)

[Scorpiоn]

Yowsa Bear!

Who did the external paint job on that Spitfire?