Planes that weren't put in game?

[Sock]

I was going though CFS2 stuff on dics 1 lookin for the P-39 textures I asked about earlier, and I came across these files.  I opened a couple and I'm asuming they are MS planes in GMax or whatever they modeled them with.  But not only did I find the normal stock planes and the AI, I found two that were out of place, a P-47D and a P-47N.  They were much two detailed to be FDG's Jugs, and the textures and everything else looks like what MS did with CFS2. I'd show them two you, but I don't know how to put pic's in here.  If someone tells me how I'll do it.  Anyway, the planes don't look completed, all the areas that should be rounded, the wingtips, cowl, etc., are anglur, not enough polys I guess.  Is this some part of another campaign that MS skrapped?  Maybe it was an Amry Air Crops campaign.  It is possible.  Did anyone ever see an Air Corps bird in one of the campaigns?  The P-39s, P-38s, B-25s, B-24s, and the C-47s.  I've never seen those planes in the US Navy campaign, but I don't know about the IJN one because I've never done it.  I really don't care for the zero, just a fling match as far as I'm concerned.  So, can anyone shine any light on this?

[Woodlouse2002]

We all know those pictures are there but no one knows why. Its possable that they were to be for CFS2 but were taken out of the final release or maybe it was a CFS3 development. We don't know.

You do get the Army Air Corp aircraft in the capaign. Especially when your flying from henderson. So just keep you eye's out. You'll have to escort them in some missions.

[Hagar]

Those are simply textures, not complete aircraft. You can find a lot of stuff like that if you look hard enough, left in either deliberately or by mistake. Someone found a pic of a baby in FS2002, most likely slipped onto the disk by a proud parent.

[Sock]

No, I know there not just textures, I've seen stuff like this before.  And why would anyone go though the trouble of making them?  If you tell me how I put pics in here I'll show them to you.

[Hagar]

Is this what you mean?



I admit being wrong about it being a texture. It's a screenshot in JPEG format. What it's doing there is one of life's little mysteries. Woody's suggestion is most likely correct. Nothing to get excited about.

[_526th_Fireman]

Yeah!! And also, if you spin Disc 1 backward, you can hear a line that says, "Paul is dead."    

Us old farts will remember that one. Yuk Yuk

[Lizard Jockey]

 I just got a good laugh out of that Fireman.  The irony of that is Paul will probably be the last one standing.

While on the topic of other then stock planes, I'm trying to figure out how to get an addon aircraft to show up in Quick Combat as an opponent.  It seems you never can tell what will show up and what won't.  I had to delete an Me 109 off the sim because it kept showing up as a Japanese plane in QC but I can't get the Sally I just installed to show up at all.

While I'm thinking of it, Did anyone else have the Mosqueto offered from here install using the Japanese language file?  Weird.

BTW Hagar, Thanks for all your help. I did all your suggested reading and I now have a much better handle on aircraft installs and everything works.

L. J. Over...

[Hagar]

Hi L.J. Glad my advice has been some help so far. You should have no problem adding aircraft to the QC database with QC Editor V 2.2.0 by Jaesen Jones. http://www.simviation.com/cfs2utilities1.htm
They must be defined as either Fighter or Bomber in the Family box.

The nationality is defined in the [MISC_DATA] section of the DP.
allegiance=1 is British
allegiance=2 is German
allegiance=3 is US  
allegiance=4 is Japanese

The complete [MISC_DATA] section might be missing from some DP files. You can add it if necessary by copying it from a default DP. Some variables might need modifying to suit a particular type. The nationality options can be extended by replacing country.cfg with the approved updated version. http://www.microsoft.com/games/combatfs2/articles_SDK_countryfile.asp
This will be already be installed if you have the DoA Expansion Pack.

I'm not sure which Mosquito you're referring to so can't comment on that.

PS. I'm old enough to appreciate Fireman's little joke.  ;D

[Lizard_Jockey]

OK Hagar, I went over and downloaded the QC Editor. I'll go install it now and give this a try.

Funny, I've been flying CFS 2 for over a year now and still haven't done much more then add a few planes and bases, and fly a few campaigns.  When I was flying F-3 then F-4 this long I was addicted and spending vast amounts of time at it.  I think I actually like CFS 2 more   because I'm an avid WW II history reader but nowadays I seem to have too many other projects going.  Maybe if I got a new system I'd fly more.  my unit is nearly 5 years old.

Hope you don't mind all the questions. For as long as I've been flying this sim I should probably be more informed. I have read the manuals thuroghly but none of this file manipulation stuff is in the Microsoft literature.  It's floating around the net in articals here and there.

Thanks again Hagar   L. J. Out.

[Christopher Mair]

Yeah, me too! I even found very rough textures for a Heinkel 111! Yes! And a Mosquito! Also in the Info directory there are two pictures of P47s from the Thunderbolt series, I think the B and the N, but I'm not sure. Anyway these P47 pics were (I think) for use with mission editor (On the info tab on the left when you click on the aircraft in question) Someone's benn kind enough (Thankyou Hagar) to post a message with one of them in it - if you look a couple of messages below the top. And lastly what's the ADDON folder for (in the CFS2 root folder)? It's empty so is this the folder where you move aircraft addons first? Because with the some of the addons that I've used the first step is to extract the files into a temporary folder. Could it be that? I wait for answers with great anticipation!

Christopher Mair, 13, UK

[Hagar]

Hi L.J. I'm always happy to help when I can. Glad you're enjoying CFS2.

Hi Christopher. M$ don't actually say what the ADDON folder is for. I find it an ideal place to keep all my addon scenery. I'm sure this was their intention too. Check out my CFS2 Scenery Clinic. http://www.simviation.com/lair/cfs2scenclinc.htm

[Woodlouse2002]

Funny, I've been flying CFS 2 for over a year now and still haven't done much more then add a few planes and bases,

Its not so funny. I had CFS1 for 2 years and I added nothing bar FS98 aircraft which I promptly removed.


CFS2 however... I have duel install and far to many aircraft and campaigns etc. Its getting annoying now. But in the time I've been adding things to CFS I have learnt alot from Hagar and others (mainly Hagar though).

Christofer, can you tell me where you found the Mosquito and He111 textures? I would quite like to see those.

[Lizard_Jockey]

Woodlouse,
I've been flying a very nice Mosquito that came with numerous skins: Standard day fighter (Europe), day fighter post "D day" (invasion stripes), Night fighter (black) that I think came from right here on simviation.  It also has a nicely done bomb sight feature.  I fly the Pacific Theater only so I installed a seperate  "China India, Burma" Theater skin which I'm pretty sure also came from here.

Hagar,
The QC Editor works great.  It's so much better when you don't have to take on Georges in your Wildcat over Henderson where they don't belong.  I made catagories for Early and late Nipponese fighter, bombers, German stuff, the works. It's great!

BTW. that Sally from here is exellent to fly against. It's a well done a/c with just the right amount of defensive firepower unlike the MS Betty which has a better cannon then the last F-16 I flew, rediculous!  Also it doesn't instantly go up like a match when hit. It can obsorb a few rounds then start to disintigrate under continued hammering more like the real gun camera shots I've seen. Although, in reading and talking with vets I've often heard of how they might pop one quick burst into a Japanese opponent and the whole thing would immediatly become a white/yellow fireball (no tank blatters).  Commonly, the pilots might actually survive the blast but be on fire themselves when bailing out and just become a flaming streamer when their chute partially deployed.

All in all, the plight of the Japanese pilots was incredably tragic and I have more respect for them the more I learn about that amazing piece of history.  

L. J. Out.

[jcool28]

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