A tough one...

[Flying Trucker]

Goodly evening all...

OK, I am going to hand you all a tough one.

Would like to see a LIST of Aircraft, fixed or rotary wing and the Manufacturer of that Aircraft that were built for General Aviation use, not for Commercial Aviation Post World War Two too the Present.
I have a LIST of the above that were built and flown after World War Two for General Aviation and Recreational Flying in the United States.
Cessna and Piper just to mention two, and they built General Aviation Aircraft that were used by Flying Schools and small Commercial Operators and that is fine.

I would like the LIST kept to Europe (France, Germany etc.) and the British Commonwealth if possible.

I have found some American built aircraft were built under licence in Europe and the British Commonwealth.

If you can't supply a Link just the name of the Manufacturer and Aircraft Type will be fine.

I will do the research...

Thanks in advance and your information is much appreciated...

[Hagar]

This is rather a tall order Doug. Not sure if you want to include Eastern Europe, USSR etc.
Here's a list of some older post-war types to go on with, some of which you might not have heard of.
I've only included those that went into production & it's nowhere near comprehensive. I've listed some of the more prolific companies like Auster Aircraft under a single heading rather than individual types. I'm sure I've forgotten some & there are lots of more modern types that I've left out.

British types
ARV Super2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARV_Super2
Auster series http://www.austerclub.org/
Beagle_Auster Terrier, D5 Husky & Airedale http://austerhg.org/beagle_mags/volume_8.pdf
Beagle Pup http://www.dhsupport.com/pup.php
Beagle 206 http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/beagle_b-206.php
Garland-Bianchi Linnet http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/G-APNS.html
Miles Gemini http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... les/13.htm
Thruxton Jackaroo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thruxton_Jackaroo

Western European types
Aviamilano F8L Falco http://www.falcoaircraft.org/the-falco/

Bölkow Bo 207 http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... 207_en.php
Bölkow Bo 208 http://time.hs-augsburg.de/~erd/Modellf ... Junior.pdf
Dornier Do 27 http://www.bush-planes.com/Dornier-Do-27and28.html
Dornier Do 28 & 128 http://barrieaircraft.com/dornier-do-28-128.html
Messerschmitt-Blohm 209 Monsun http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... monsun.htm

Druine (Rollason) Condor http://www.aviastar.org/air/france/druine_d-62.php
Druine (Rollason) Turbulent http://www.tigerclub.co.uk/rollason.html
Druine Turbi http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/2/15 ... e-aircraft
Gardan Horizon http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... 20GY80.htm
Gardan Minicab http://all-aero.com/index.php/contactus ... cab-gy-201
Jodel/Robin series http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... /jodel.htm
Piel Emeraude http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... p30_en.php
SNCAC / Nord NC.853 / NC.854 http://www.flugzeuginfo.net/acdata_php/ ... 853_en.php
SOCATA Rallye family http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... ale/13.htm
SOCATA Trinidad, Tobago & Tampico https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOCATA_TB_family
Wassmer Aircraft http://www.pilotfriend.com/aircraft%20p ... 0WA.51.htm

Tipsy Nipper http://www.nipperaircraft.co.uk/
Tipsy Trainer http://www.lightaircraftassociation.co. ... /Tipsy.pdf

[Flying Trucker]

Thanks a million Doug...

The Links make it much easier.

Will get through all those Links shortly, looking for something produced in Post War England that would resemble a Piper 140 or Cessna 172 that was produced in fairly large numbers.

The reason for my (you seem to have done most of the work... ) search is we are having a bit of a debate at the bugsmasher field on the decline of General Aviation Aircraft and Flying in England and England alone.

One of our members returned from nearly a month in England and was quite disappointed in the decline of General Aviation and Flying in England where in France and Germany he thinks General Aviation and Flying is on the upswing.

Now he was told while in England it was the government that found General Aviation an annoyance and did not support it.

He also mentioned the majority of the people find aeroplanes just too noisy and are forcing stricter Noise Abatement Procedures.

My opinion and a few others blame the Insurance Companies and the Land Developers who build Condos and Homes.

I thought by getting information on the development and production of General Aviation Aircraft might show an upswing or a stabilization of General Aviation in England.
So far it seems there are not many of any one particular model in vast numbers produced or any production running for any great length of time.

Again will have a look at those Links...much appreciated Doug...

[ViperPilot]

Doug,

From what I've been able to glean from a number of sources is that after WW II, what was supposed to be a surge of ex-pilots wanting airplanes to cruise around in just didn't materialize as they thought it would, both here in the US, Canada and in Europe. It caught many of the airplane companies completely off guard, as well.

Just my humble opinion here, but I think that once the DHC-1 Chipmunk was adopted by the RAF and the RCAF as their Trainer, that freed up quite a few airplanes like Tiger Moths, Austers and the like for Civil use. Also, many of the Puss Moths, Hornet Moths and similar airplanes that were acquired by the RAF/RCAF as Communication aircraft were returned to their Owners, or sold at Surplus. That also added to the pipeline for cheap, used airplanes.

Whatever the case, it's good to see those old airplanes still cared for so lovingly and being flown. I've been fooling around with these oldies in FS9 and they're truly a delight to fly around in, stopping by all of the small fields that are littered around the FS landscape. A different perspective at 500' AGL and
70 kts!

Alan

[Flying Trucker]

Thanks Alan...

Your comments are most appreciated and we have chewed the rag about what you say many times at the local bugsmasher field.

What would really be interesting Alan and something for these Payware Developers to think about is:
-when developing a simulated aircraft for example from Cessna, why not develop All the General Aviation, Military Aviation and Commercial Aviation Flying Machines manufactured by Cessna in those three categories for example. That would be three separate packages to purchase.

-include in each package would be the dates and production runs, perhaps some history on each individual flying machine

-if we think about it we could actually fly through history and see how flying machines developed

I would be more than willing to pay for such a package as I am sure many learning institutions would as well.

[Hagar]

First of all I must correct one of my links. The one for the Beagle-Auster Terrier, D5 Husky & Airedale is here --> http://austerhg.org/beagle_mags/volume_1.pdf

I can't agree that general aviation in the UK is in decline Doug. From my own experience it's as healthy as ever. Just look at the quantity & variety of types in my photos from the LAA Rally at Sywell & Microlight Fair at Popham. https://get.google.com/albumarchive/111 ... source=pwa

However, light aircraft manufacture in the UK (apart from home-builds) is almost non-existent. The UK is a comparatively small country & even in the "Golden Age" of the DH Moth we could never compete with aircraft production in other countries, especially the USA. The only major British light aircraft manufacturer in the immediate post-WWII period was Auster Aircraft. Comparison is difficult but total production of the J/1 Autocrat, the first post war civil Auster, was 420 aircraft built between 1945 & 1949. Production of the Cessna 120 & 140 in the five years between 1946 & 1951 totalled 7,664.

I agree with Alan's comments that the availability of ex-military types like Austers, Maggies & Tiger Moths affected light aircraft production for years after the end of WWII. I remember when you could get an airworthy ex-RAF Tiger Moth for £50 & spares were readily available. The manufacturers of new types obviously couldn't match that. Beagle Aircraft Ltd. formed in 1962 was an attempt to rectify that but failed as it simply could not compete with the USA.

[Flying Trucker]

Thanks again Doug for your information, it is much appreciated...

Will take a look at the Link you provided...

[logjam]

Great pictures there Doug. Spent ages reminiscing and improving my knowledge. Thanks. I see no mention though of Edgar Percival's efforts to defy gravity. I remember in the '50's one could risk life and limb in a cheap ex-RAF Percival Prentice for "cheap." I say cheap with a tongue in cheek, because as anyone knows, just after the War (WWII) money was scarce and so were groceries, so any potential suicide mission in a Proctor or a Prentice became the vehicle for skinny batchelors hoping to gain recognition as Kings cup air race losers. Mind you, under the umbrella of Hunting and later BAC and BAE we see a heritage that eventually brought us the Provost, Strikemaster and Hawk. 50 quid you say, for a scrap Tiger Moth? Hmmm that was 3 months wages in those days.

[Flying Trucker]

Thanks logjam, much appreciated for your reply...