Prop reverse needed

[Fozzer]

One of my greatest delights in my Flight Sims, (FS 2004 and FSX), is modifying my instrument panels with all sorts of additional instruments to enable all my "needs" for an imaginary flight, with the aid of my trusty "FS Panel Studio"!

http://www.fspanelstudio.com/

My little Bensen Gyrocopter, (flying deck-chair), contains all sorts of extra bells and whistles, including a full Bendix-King Radio stack, with full Autopilot control....
Something that you will never find on the real thing!.... ...>>>







Even my Fairchild C123 Provider, Air America, Transporter, has all sorts of additional exciting stuff added its instrument panel, to make my "flight" more enjoyable!

"Realism" is what I get when I fly the real Cessna 152 at my local Flying club....
..... otherwise its like playing "Monty Mole" on my Sinclair Spectrum Computer.... ...!

What I really enjoy on the Flight Sims, is just taking in the "Autogen"scenery all around me, as I manoeuvrer the multi-coloured Pixels around my Monitor, with the aid of my Joystick...
...and use my vivid imagination for all the rest!.... ...!

Sorry Lads, if I have spoilt your sense of realism in the Flight Sim.... ....Its what makes me evil!..... ... ....!

Paul.... ...!

Off on a Simulated Motor Bike Trip to my local Supermarket... .... ...!

[garymbuska]

RE: Gary ?

Re: "That really gets me going"

So - Gary, from what you are explaining, if I understand you correctly,,,, - my 747's aren't supposed to Hover ???

Now I find out 10 years later all this time I been Hovering in my 747's

and parkin' 747's on Heli' pads

If you want to try something that is not as easy as it sounds do what I do when I get bored. I will take a B747-400 and chase down single engine aircraft and crash into them it is a real riot. But Like I said it is not that easy as it sounds as I am sure you have noticed that any of the sims will put AI aircraft at the same flight level that you are at. The one exception to that is when landing at a busy airport even though you have been cleared to land a AI aircraft will fly right through you are miss you by inches and land in front of you and than ATC will tell you to go around.
Of course I tell them to put it where the sun does not shine and the moon is always full and land any way

[logjam]

O you should try aerobatics in a 747, what a blast. Cleaning up the simulated vomit from the passenger cabin isn't so nice.

[stephan]

Wow Paul ...you can really get the excitement going here,LOLOL. These last few comments were great,hahaha. I too have tried to catch the flight path of different aircraft,and it is tougher than I had thought when I made my first attempts many moons ago. I still give 'er a go once in a while.Even attempt to follow smaller,or slower aiAC to simulate an in air refuel,..and to maintain a safe distance,yet close enough to allow for the refueling connection ,along with the flight path remaining level throughout the event is almost impossible,and gives me pause to reflect with respect for the real pilots that must undertake that task in real life.Even though in real life one has a better sense of the depth perception (which,when in the air,all relative surrounding objects are absent and the depth perception can suffer some,...simming has almost no chance for that perception,..along with the fact that you cant tell when the ai is going to make a course change in mid refuel. Never the less,...I have lost no love for simming as the years go by. And modifying my panels as you do Paul,is one of my favorite sim tasks. In my at one time default fs9 747-400,in just my main panel window in the panel cfg,I have over 160 lines of gauges and lights ...and,add that to an additional 13 other windows for that panel cfg,my panel for the 747 is quite interesting,and I use every gauge,light and indicator in a medium range flight.The fact that I have a multi-monitor set up is the only way I can use that panel with satisfaction. Otherwise,I'd have to try and juggle 14 panel windows on one monitor. It took some real designing strategy just to get a smooth operation with all those windows with 4 monitors (one of which is a 50~inch Sony flat screen tv)

[tbus]

Of course I tell them to put it where the sun does not shine and the moon is always full and land any way

I hereby nominate Gary to be elected the Forum Poet Laureate for his literary contributions to this endeavor.
..... Do I have a second?

[tgibson]

Hi,

I don't know how you added this in the past, but we have found a good way to add reverse pitch (and thrust) to piston aircraft (not normally supported by FS). But it does not use F2 to activate, so if that's what you want this will not do that.

Here is the cfg file from my DC-6B. We change these lines in the Propeller section of the aircraft.cfg file:

prop_reverse_available=0
min_rpm_for_feather=700.0
beta_feather=96.0
power_absorbed_cf=0.9
minimum_on_ground_beta=15.0
minimum_reverse_beta=0

to:

prop_reverse_available=1
min_rpm_for_feather=700.0
beta_feather=-64
power_absorbed_cf=0.1
minimum_on_ground_beta=1
minimum_reverse_beta=-14

Now when you reduce the throttle to idle, throw the reverse lever bar on my panel, and increase the throttle to around 30" of manifold pressure you get actual slowing of the plane. Reducing the throttle to idle will throw the reverse lever back to its normal position, and allow forward thrust again.

If you do not use my reverse lever gauge, you can use the keyboard instead. You press Ctrl F1 to activate, and Ctrl F4 to go back to forward thrust.

Don't forget to increase the throttle after activation, or you will stall the engines.

Hope this helps,

[stephan]

Thanks tgibsoon. I'll try this. I may have already. I seem to have read this very same thing in another place in the net somewhere,but this prop reverse problem has been a problem I have dealt with on several ac,and I have found that on some ac,one cfg adjustment works,while not on others,and vice versa. And there is no single fix or configure that works on all ac that one wants to add reverse to the props. This reverse bar that I have read about...I am not familiar with . The only reverse device on screen I am familiar with is the secondary levers on the throttle pedestal of jet powered craft. I have a Saitek 52 flight stick set up and use a slide switch configured to activate my reverse. It works on my jets as well as the props that I have reverse prop capabilities. Never the less,...let me try that cfg ou offered and see what happens. In the mean time,could someone explain to me what this reverse bar device is I have been reading about>? Better still,is there a freebie download prop ac on Simviation that has one so I can see what it looks like? Chances are,I have it in my gauges file since I have SO MANY ac downloads,but I still need to see it for what it is. Then I may be able to understand its operation. Thanks. (ps...I too dont let some Cessna hold down my runway when I am coming in for a landing . After all,I'm flying major tonnage and no cardboard ac and some coffee sipping atc is going to tell me to Go Around, LOL (with evil intent,hehehe ) .

[stephan]

OK. I tried the last suggested modification for the cfg file and still no reverse prop. So,...I give up. I'll simply wait until somewhere,sometime,someone will come up with a C-123 with reverse prop capability. Why not. After all, the sim world has downloadable UFOs and pirate ships with auto pilot. Someone will want the same properties in this craft as I do sooner or later. When they do,I'll spring on it. Thanks to all who have tried to help. Personally,I think what is preventing the ability to add this feature is hidden in the selfish model file.

[tbus]

This appears to be for the dreaded "FSX", but it might provide some useful info ..... and there IS mention of the C-123.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/s ... or-pistons

Hope it helps

[stephan]

I already tried that one as well. Nothing. And there is someone in that thread trying to modify an FS9 C123 as well,and he also had no luck. Seems like it is a problem hidden in the model file.Otherwise,some of the suggestions would work. They work on other ac and should work on the C123 as well,...and I cant see why not,...save for the model file,which cant be edited. What I MAY try to do is use all data I can from the C123,...go to my GMAX program,and try my hand at making my own model file based around the aerodynamics of the air and cfg files data of the C123 I am trying to modify. But,leave the option open for reverse props. Never tried that before,but one never knows until they try.

[Gringo6]

Gary: you might look over at Cal Classic's Convair 240/340 series that have prop reverse and see if there is anything you can appropriate to solve your problem.
I don't think it's actually a "prop reverse" in the truest sense of the word but rather a "super-brake" that acts like prop reverse. In other words you can land on
some pretty short runways but can't back up.

[tgibson]

Hi,

Actually, I (CalClassic) posted that message above telling the OP how we do it there. It actually is true reverse pitch, but uses feathering to activate it.

And I made an error in my post above, so I suggest the OP try it again. I said to use Ctrl F1 to activate it - this is untrue - you press AND HOLD DOWN Ctrl F2 for a second or two to activate it. I'm not allowed to edit that old post.

[Gringo6]

OK Tom. Thanks for clarifying that. I guess I ever did understand exactly how it works.

[garymbuska]

Of course I tell them to put it where the sun does not shine and the moon is always full and land any way

I hereby nominate Gary to be elected the Forum Poet Laureate for his literary contributions to this endeavor.
..... Do I have a second?

I second it