Annoyed Poll !

[Jetranger]

3/11/2015

I'm a little Annoyed and have been for about the past year with some of my "PAYWARE" Aircraft(s), I've Purchased at a fairley good price.

tho I don't have a particular problem with the Aircrafts in General as to how they Fly or look, I do realize they are just a Sim graphic wise and only so much can be done.

I am particularly Annoyed by some of the Aircraft I've purchased thru Just Flight, tho made by other "Outside" Developers, mainly Black Box simulations and prior Aeroplane Heaven.

I've purchased several Aircraft from Just Flight the last 3 to 4 years, the 1st was the Lockheed Constellation propliner that I truly like despite its Flaws in the passenger cabin on 1 side with Zero windows and no wing views, and 1 side of the passenger seats cut in 1/2 and a table.

And not all the Constellation Varients have a full Passenger area and in some cases they lack a few things in the Cockpit too.

The Aircraft I've got the last few years from JF are :

1. Constellation

2. The Dehavilland Comet 4C

3. The Boeing 737-200

4. the Lockheed L-1011 Tri-Star

5. The Spitfire

think a few were on Sale or something ,,,,,

but, my pet peeve is this - after all this time that these Aircraft have been out now, Buyers / Users / Flight Simmers / Customers can NOT hardly find any "Re-Paints" for these Aircraft , over the years as the years go by , I noticed .

I can find all kinds of Re-Paints for the Captain Sim 707's

Captain Sim 737 100 - 200

Captain Sim 727 Jetliner

Captain Sims L-1011 Tri Star

I can find hundreds of Repaints for Carenado's Cessnas , and their other Aircraft they sell, not a problem !

I can even find a few Re-Paints for LionHeart Creations Aircraft for which I have.

But, you rarely , Hardly ever see a Re-Paint for anything of Just Flights Aircraft mentioned , listed above.

I know most every single Flight Simulator web site out there, and I'm not goin to list them, those of you who know me, know that as I pass on information and post here on this site to save you the time effort trying to find some of this stuff.

I've even went to a few overseas foreign web sites looking for re-paints of good quality for those Payware Aircraft and came back Zilch - Zip , notta.

The Paints they do give ya, are pretty much dull and bland generic boring looking, the majority of them anyway, even their 737 200 series lacked most of the Retro 1960's & 1970's era paint schemes for that particular Aircraft.

As well as the Lockheed Constellation and the Lockheed Tri-Star as well.

I don't know how you all feel, but when I pay anything over $25.00 dollars to $30.00 dollars I expect a Full Aircraft from front to Back inside & out, and not 1/2 or a 1/4 of the Aircraft with Chopped up missing textures and mis-designed textures because they were in a hurry to shove it out the door or , somebody didn't bother to check their work before releasing it, or, just didn't give a flyin Shit, and let the Buyers find out later after buying it.

I was annoyed when I found out about the Lockheed Constellation being 1/2 assed done really, with missing messed textures in the passenger cabin, and some other issues like can't see the engines and wings from the cockpit windows.

Yet my Captain Sim Aircraft you can, all my Carenado Aircraft you can as well as Lionheart Creations too , you can.

for some reason, and this isn't my opinion, because I've actually looked into it and I actually have these Aircraft that - Black Box Simulations made - they don't seem to wanna make the entire Aircraft front to back and inside and out from cockpit to passenger cabin , as with that Boeing 737 100/200 series.

Yet Cap Sim does

Yet they want us to PAY a fairly good price for these Aircraft when their 1st released for about the 1st year or 2, anywhere from $30.00 to $50.00 pper Aircraft with only a hand full of liverys and all kinds of stuff not working properly from gauges to lights, to whatevers.

It really annoys me to no end that seldom do they come back in due time to Fix much of anything I've noticed.

Case in point, I recently contacted one of the developers about the Constellation and he advised me that Just Flight still had the Source files for it and it'd be up to them to Fix the remaining aircraft if they wanted to.

I believe that was Aeroplane Heaven who recently told me that.

I see the L-1011 has plenty of issues and they released a supposed service pack for it, with even more issues

as well as the Hyped up Douglas DC 8 Jetliner too.

I purchased the 737 100/200, under the assumption ( big mistake) that it'd be the Full Aircraft like Captain Sims of the same Quality with nothing missing, boy was I wrong, NO Passenger interior and the cockpit was kinda really plain jane compared to Captain Sims 737-100 /200's.

Dumb me also purchased the Lockheed L-1011 TriStar from JF too with the same results , missing passenger cabin and a fair cockpit, and some really awful paint scheme choices for the TriStar, that I thought they'd at least give more of the Retro style paint schemes to from the 60's & 70's era, instead they give ya crap, and want ya to buy the additional livery packs that aren't much better.

I mean, if we were talkin' about spendin like 5.00 or 10.00 bucks for these things, I could see maybe your NOT goin to get everything, BUT, when the price hits 25.00 - 30.00 to $50.00 for these Aircraft and then you get it and your like WTF, wheres the rest of the Aircraft ?

and it happens more than once, well, it leaves a sour taste in your mouth and you aren't likely to drink the same stuff over again !!!

So my being Annoyed is about how much WE Simmers pay for these Aircraft from 1 developer who'll give us the whole Aircraft Finished and with good results, yet another developer, rather contracted out or done in house wants us to pay the same price or nearly the same price for Aircraft that's only 1/2 done .

Then theres the issue of Hype'ing up the Aircraft months or weeks before its released, especially the Vintage ones and then when they release it, it doesn't even have but maybe 1 or 2 Retro Vintage Paint schemes on it as they kinda somewhat advertised.

Case in point #2 on the Just Flight DC-6, they showed in their Video on the DC-6 a paint scheme of a Presendential livery done in white and blue, YET, to this day there is NO such paint livery that excists for that Aircraft, , guess it looked good for the Video and made it sell tho, huh ??

To date I only know of 1 or 2 repaints that's came out for that DC6 from Just Flight, not sure who the actual developer was ?

Just seems to me that whatever you buy from Just Flight as far as Aircraft, that's it, theres not much else after that and they never come back a few months later or a few years later abnd offer their customers any Re-Paints, rather for Free or Payware as a Pack, but they find time to develop all kinds of other hokey ridlicious Aircraft that aren't that popular and or sell that well.

So whats the point ??

I'd think before developing some other hokey aircraft I'd want to finish up or keep up with one that was released and fix any unfinished parts or make an attempt to anyway.

Well that's my Rant, I've been wantin to let out for the past 6 months, but I didn't want to jump the gun and give it more time to see if anything would actually come about, and its not, and hasn't and doesn't look like its going to either.

How do the rest of You Flight Simmers feel about this as to what I described above ?

any similar issues or experiences ??

Do you think I'm being unreasonable

compared to what the other developer sellers have to offer.

I think I'm about done purchasing anything from Just Flight, I'm just tired of paying fairly decent money for 1/2 or 1/4 finished Aircraft, hell I can get Freeware like that !!

I tell ya its pretty sad when ya can get FREEWARE from the likes of Milton Schupe that's complete from inside - out, and front to back , yet you pay for Payware and its not even close to being a whole Aircraft and the paint schemes for supposed Retro absolutely Suck !!!

Heres another Kicker, I even spent the time to research as many Retro Paint liverys to send to Just Flight several months before they released that Lockheed L-1011, and what ya think they did - made most of them plain jane boring looking , really , like in really ??

I even sent them photos of RETRO interiors for the L-1011,,, what we get an Empty passenger cabin.

The cockpit is medicore with issues in gauges ,,believe their is an update or Fix that they want you to pay for again at a reduced price, which from what I heard the service pack has issues, so now they have to issue another service pack to fix the service pack.

Whatever I'm not upgrading it - - it is what it is.

Anybody else out here feel like I do , or am I the only Dummy

Jetranger

[Jetranger]

Click this Link to see full set of photos and more on this subject.

See photos : http://forum.justflight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=19795&title=service-packs-question-help-connie

[Jetranger]

This is the 737 that Just Flight put out , but made by Black Box Simulations

I guess I mis-understood the Cleverly worded description , cleverly worded !!

"◾Full Passenger seating visible through cabin windows"

in other words, while viewing the outside of the Aircraft , you can see passengers inside the passenger area, because, theres is NO Actual passenger cabin in their 737-100 / 200 series, like the Capatin Sim 737-100 / 200 models which does have the full 737 model !!! inside and out !!!

I mistook it as having everything for the amount they were asking.

I got this over a year ago, but after I got it, I was like WTF, wheres the rest of the plane at, did a file get misplaced or something

Think I paid almost $40.00 bucks for this thing, and if ya want the entire livery packs, be prepared to shell out close to $60.00 dollars for everything.

but remember your not getting an entire Aircraft exactly, like you would at Captain Sim , if you got their Boeing 737-100/200's which do have everything, inside & out and then some, including a working highly detailed cockpit and passenger cabin complete, not 1/2 done or not at all.

737-100 / 200 by Black Box : http://www.blackboxsimulation.com/index.php/products/fsx/boeing737pro/

[jcj78]

I have JF's Mosquito and R44, and there aren't a lot of repaints for them either. I'm also not a big fan of the way you have to change the registrations on the paints for the R44, but its not a deal breaker.

I have the same attitude about a lot of LHC stuff when it comes to repaints. Some models (the Quest Kodiak) there are tons of repaints. Others, like the DA40 don't have any.

[Jetranger]

I would like to add that all the Aircraft I've got from Albero , well 2, the Cessna 195 and the Beechcraft Stagger Wing are of Excellent Quality all around from front to back , inside and out !!!

Highly recommended, you can't go wrong with Albero Aircraft, just like Carenado Aircraft.

same goes with Lionheart Creations, mighty fine Aircraft , excellent Aircraft, I've got 3 or 4 with no issues and all are done completely !!!

and another less heard about is Flying Stations Aircraft War Birds, great Aircraft.

along with WAR BIRDS P-51 Mustangs that are high quality Aircraft with all kinds of "REPAINTS" for their Vintage P-51' War Birds for which I have.


FLYING STATIONS : http://flyingstations.com/index.html


WAR BIRD SIM : http://www.warbirdsim.com/

[Anthindelahunt]

My biggest gripe is the cockpit of said Connie.That horrible
black shadow on the upper part of the instrument panel really
hacks me off.The gauges look like rubbish.

Anthin.

Have a good one.

[B0ikat]

How do the rest of You Flight Simmers feel about this as to what I described above

There are a lot of add-ons I'd like to see, but I'm not going to beg artists to make them. There are a lot of add-ons that I have that are "sub par", but I'm not going to whine about them, since they were free to begin with, and there are a lot of them that could use new paint jobs, which I can do my self, so I don't complain about that either. So, I don't see a problem.

As far as the add-ons that I'd like to see, or ones that I have that are lacking, well, that's why I'm focusing on learning how to make my own. Once I get that down pat, and get to the point that my work reaches the standards the I admire in what others have done, then some weird (and hopefully cool) $h!77 is going to start showing up (Science fictional, experimental, fantasy, something that crawls out of my own sick mind....). Purists may not be interested, but at least they will be out there.

But, since your main gripe is about payware, well, nobody is forcing you to buy them, but I'm puzzled as to your complaining about lack of re-paints. You've posted several custom paints that you did for yourself, and they are "Knock your socks off" quality when you post screenies of your work. So, what's stopping you from doing repaints for the payware that lacks additional repaints that you want?

[jcj78]

There are a lot of add-ons I'd like to see, but I'm not going to beg artists to make them.

Who's begging?

There are a lot of add-ons that I have that are "sub par", but I'm not going to whine about them, since they were free to begin with, and there are a lot of them that could use new paint jobs, which I can do my self, so I don't complain about that either.

Who's whining?

So, I don't see a problem. As far as the add-ons that I'd like to see, or ones that I have that are lacking, well, that's why I'm focusing on learning how to make my own. Once I get that down pat, and get to the point that my work reaches the standards the I admire in what others have done, then some weird (and hopefully cool) $h!77 is going to start showing up (Science fictional, experimental, fantasy, something that crawls out of my own sick mind....). Purists may not be interested, but at least they will be out there.

Good luck with that.

But, since your main gripe is about payware, well, nobody is forcing you to buy them,

True enough. No one is stopping me from discussing them after I buy them, either.

but I'm puzzled as to your complaining about lack of re-paints. You've posted several custom paints that you did for yourself, and they are "Knock your socks off" quality when you post screenies of your work. So, what's stopping you from doing repaints for the payware that lacks additional repaints that you want?

Paint kits in some cases. Level of difficulty in others. Limited time to spend on things that don't pay bills or raise kids is another reason. Thanks for asking.
The whole point of this forum is to discuss and share ideas, articles, models, etc. Why do you act like it is aggravating to you when folks do just that?

[Jetranger]

Boikat,,,, let me be perfectly clear here and blunt !!!

are the the Type to go buy new tires for your vehicle and after 15 miles down the road all the tread comes flying off 3 of the 4 tires, leaving you on the side of the road, and your just NOT gonna say anything or complain about what you just purchased from the tire store !!

Keeping in mind the store didn't make those tires , they just sell them and represent the dealers.

but being you did purchase those tires and gave that Store your money, they should represent you and be willing to fix the problem for you, not blow you off as a paying customer !

Keep in mind those tires were hyped and rated for over 100,000 Miles and you got 15 miles out of them.

Also keep in mind Boikat, nobody FORCED you to buy that particular brand of tire, so should you complain about inferior quality of the product ??

You , like others went with what was being hyped and from the ads & photos you seen advertised.

so are you just going to go back and purchase more of the same tires and Fork over more Money and NOT say a word, are you one of those types ?

When a company puts out a product, with all kinds of hype advertising along with photos about the product, and then the "consumer purchases" the said product and its not up to the standards that were advertised nor what exactly was advertised, yes the consumer should have the right to complain about the product in question.

That's why there are Consumer watch dog agencies and consumer laws to protect the consumers from those companies who will take advantage of consumers and not attempt to make the issues that the consumer, purchaser has right or correct.

Now maybe you Boikat, don't mind purchasing a new car off the dealer lot , and upon driving off down the road, the hood flys off and lands on the road and a semi runs over it, making it unuseable, are you NOT going to go back to the Dealer you purchased the vehicle from and say something, complain, whine, gripe, Bitch, or are you just going go fork over the money to buy another hood and pay to have it painted to match too

Remember BOIKAT, nobody twisted your arm to buy that vehicle that the hood flew off and all the knobs on the dash don't work and flew off

Ya know when a Consumer , purchaser of a product has a problem with a product such as I pointed out above with links and then I took the time to compare the different companies which is clearly pointed out above the difference between the two or 3 companies that do offer their customers / purchasers all kinds of amenties, then I get some response like yours, like everybody is just supposed to play "DUMB & DUMBER" so Naïve and ignorant to think they shouldn't say anything about a product they were sold that's either not up to par or of sub standard quality , and you think they haven't a right to complain, whine, gripe, bitch or whatever

Really Boikat , like in Really ??

Frankly, I really don't care for your response to this thread , like people are just supposed to "play Naïve & Stupid" about a consumer issue that they "purchased with Money" for a product or products that aren't being backed by the company that sells those products and that supposedly represents the developer on their end and the consumer their selling it to.

1 Thing I've noticed in this Flight Sim community thru the years, for some strange reason, "there are a few" that seem to live in this "Naïve Bubble" and want everybody else to live in that same "Naïve Bubble" as they do and should never ever be allowed to complain about a product they purchased whatever it may be, life is just "Unicorns and Faireys" and everything is just a Bright Shiny Day

1 more Question for ya Boikat - why is that A2a Simulations, Captain Sim, Alabeo and Lionheart creations and War Bird SIM and Flying Stations - All have lots lots of Repaints available for their Products and several patches & updates as well, and JF does not ???

that right there speaks volumes with nothing else said

If I hadn't been dealing with this for the last 3 years mind you, and keeping up to date with all this and as someone who visits their Forum board quite regularly and watches and sees the posts & comments thru the years on said products , as I'm well versed in the complaints & issues that taking place,, and I'm "NOT" someone who just "5 minutes ago had a problem" and decided to Rant about it !

Boikat, the Judge just told me, your overruled

[Jetranger]

UPDATE :

Well appears others are fed up too and becoming quite vocal about it now !!

and they have every right to be as well, after paying for what they Thought was a good finished product , apparently it was "Churned" out like many of their other Aircraft.

Read the comments for yourself and be Advised what your really getting into before hand !!!

Save yourself some Money, Frustration and time !!!

Flight Sim users Frustration LINK : http://forum.justflight.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=23665&title=low-fps

[B0ikat]

There are a lot of add-ons I'd like to see, but I'm not going to beg artists to make them.

Who's begging?

There are a lot of add-ons that I have that are "sub par", but I'm not going to whine about them, since they were free to begin with, and there are a lot of them that could use new paint jobs, which I can do my self, so I don't complain about that either.

Who's whining?

So, I don't see a problem. As far as the add-ons that I'd like to see, or ones that I have that are lacking, well, that's why I'm focusing on learning how to make my own. Once I get that down pat, and get to the point that my work reaches the standards the I admire in what others have done, then some weird (and hopefully cool) $h!77 is going to start showing up (Science fictional, experimental, fantasy, something that crawls out of my own sick mind....). Purists may not be interested, but at least they will be out there.

Good luck with that.

But, since your main gripe is about payware, well, nobody is forcing you to buy them,

True enough. No one is stopping me from discussing them after I buy them, either.

but I'm puzzled as to your complaining about lack of re-paints. You've posted several custom paints that you did for yourself, and they are "Knock your socks off" quality when you post screenies of your work. So, what's stopping you from doing repaints for the payware that lacks additional repaints that you want?

Paint kits in some cases. Level of difficulty in others. Limited time to spend on things that don't pay bills or raise kids is another reason. Thanks for asking.
The whole point of this forum is to discuss and share ideas, articles, models, etc. Why do you act like it is aggravating to you when folks do just that?

The OP asked for opinions, I gave mine.

[B0ikat]

Boikat,,,, let me be perfectly clear here and blunt !!!

are the the Type to go buy new tires for your vehicle and after 15 miles down the road all the tread comes flying off 3 of the 4 tires, leaving you on the side of the road, and your just NOT gonna say anything or complain about what you just purchased from the tire store !!

Keeping in mind the store didn't make those tires , they just sell them and represent the dealers.

but being you did purchase those tires and gave that Store your money, they should represent you and be willing to fix the problem for you, not blow you off as a paying customer !

Keep in mind those tires were hyped and rated for over 100,000 Miles and you got 15 miles out of them.

Also keep in mind Boikat, nobody FORCED you to buy that particular brand of tire, so should you complain about inferior quality of the product ??

You , like others went with what was being hyped and from the ads & photos you seen advertised.

so are you just going to go back and purchase more of the same tires and Fork over more Money and NOT say a word, are you one of those types ?

When a company puts out a product, with all kinds of hype advertising along with photos about the product, and then the "consumer purchases" the said product and its not up to the standards that were advertised nor what exactly was advertised, yes the consumer should have the right to complain about the product in question.

That's why there are Consumer watch dog agencies and consumer laws to protect the consumers from those companies who will take advantage of consumers and not attempt to make the issues that the consumer, purchaser has right or correct.

Now maybe you Boikat, don't mind purchasing a new car off the dealer lot , and upon driving off down the road, the hood flys off and lands on the road and a semi runs over it, making it unuseable, are you NOT going to go back to the Dealer you purchased the vehicle from and say something, complain, whine, gripe, Bitch, or are you just going go fork over the money to buy another hood and pay to have it painted to match too

Remember BOIKAT, nobody twisted your arm to buy that vehicle that the hood flew off and all the knobs on the dash don't work and flew off

Ya know when a Consumer , purchaser of a product has a problem with a product such as I pointed out above with links and then I took the time to compare the different companies which is clearly pointed out above the difference between the two or 3 companies that do offer their customers / purchasers all kinds of amenties, then I get some response like yours, like everybody is just supposed to play "DUMB & DUMBER" so Naïve and ignorant to think they shouldn't say anything about a product they were sold that's either not up to par or of sub standard quality , and you think they haven't a right to complain, whine, gripe, bitch or whatever

Really Boikat , like in Really ??

Frankly, I really don't care for your response to this thread , like people are just supposed to "play Naïve & Stupid" about a consumer issue that they "purchased with Money" for a product or products that aren't being backed by the company that sells those products and that supposedly represents the developer on their end and the consumer their selling it to.

1 Thing I've noticed in this Flight Sim community thru the years, for some strange reason, "there are a few" that seem to live in this "Naïve Bubble" and want everybody else to live in that same "Naïve Bubble" as they do and should never ever be allowed to complain about a product they purchased whatever it may be, life is just "Unicorns and Faireys" and everything is just a Bright Shiny Day

1 more Question for ya Boikat - why is that A2a Simulations, Captain Sim, Alabeo and Lionheart creations and War Bird SIM and Flying Stations - All have lots lots of Repaints available for their Products and several patches & updates as well, and JF does not ???

that right there speaks volumes with nothing else said

If I hadn't been dealing with this for the last 3 years mind you, and keeping up to date with all this and as someone who visits their Forum board quite regularly and watches and sees the posts & comments thru the years on said products , as I'm well versed in the complaints & issues that taking place,, and I'm "NOT" someone who just "5 minutes ago had a problem" and decided to Rant about it !

You asked for opinions, I gave mine. I'm sorry if you don't like it, but there it is.

Boikat, the Judge just told me, your overruled

It's spelled "you're".

[Fozzer]

No problemo for me!.... ....

Apart for my various Flight Sims, and a couple of payware scenery design utilities....

....all my other; "stuff"; planes, etc, is good-old-fashioned; "freeware"....so no complaints from me!

Paul.....I like "Free"!.... ...!

[jcj78]

There are a lot of add-ons I'd like to see, but I'm not going to beg artists to make them.

Who's begging?

There are a lot of add-ons that I have that are "sub par", but I'm not going to whine about them, since they were free to begin with, and there are a lot of them that could use new paint jobs, which I can do my self, so I don't complain about that either.

Who's whining?

So, I don't see a problem. As far as the add-ons that I'd like to see, or ones that I have that are lacking, well, that's why I'm focusing on learning how to make my own. Once I get that down pat, and get to the point that my work reaches the standards the I admire in what others have done, then some weird (and hopefully cool) $h!77 is going to start showing up (Science fictional, experimental, fantasy, something that crawls out of my own sick mind....). Purists may not be interested, but at least they will be out there.

Good luck with that.

But, since your main gripe is about payware, well, nobody is forcing you to buy them,

True enough. No one is stopping me from discussing them after I buy them, either.

but I'm puzzled as to your complaining about lack of re-paints. You've posted several custom paints that you did for yourself, and they are "Knock your socks off" quality when you post screenies of your work. So, what's stopping you from doing repaints for the payware that lacks additional repaints that you want?

Paint kits in some cases. Level of difficulty in others. Limited time to spend on things that don't pay bills or raise kids is another reason. Thanks for asking.
The whole point of this forum is to discuss and share ideas, articles, models, etc. Why do you act like it is aggravating to you when folks do just that?

The OP asked for opinions, I gave mine.

Answer the questions. Who's begging? Who's whining? Who are you to say what we can or can't discuss about products we spent out money on? Who are you that we should take you seriously at all?

Thanks for your opinion. I'll have to find something to scrape it off my boot with now.

[B0ikat]

Payware is caveat emptor, it always has been, and always will be. Complaining in an open forum amounts to begging. Also, such complaining is whining, especially if said complainer has been burnt over and over again, and still keeps on buying more payware from the same source. Add to that, in the original post, his main bone of contention was the lack of repaints, which he's shown himself to be more than capable of accomplishing. So what was the point of the post? Oh, he wanted the opinion of other people. Aside from that, unless I am mistaken, "opinion" does not mean "agree with me or you are slime".

With that, I will leave you to your "holier than thou" hissy fit.