X2 cfg Tweak New FS9 cfg tweak

[tnw]

The Natural World 2014 (Howards Mix rebranded and update) I have developed a new cfg tweak for FS9 to speed up FS2004 graphics which will improve the graphics by a factor of about X2 the beta testing for 2004 has now been completed by the TNW beta testing team and the setup document will be hosted on The Natural World web site which is under construction but should be live some time tomorrow. The tweak had its official launch at the Flightsim Convention at Helicopter Museum at Weston Super-Mare UK : helimuseum@btconnect.com
The X2 cfg Tweak also works in FSX but I have to little data to comment, only to say it does give you a frame rate hit in both 9 and X
It is more than likely that my web address will be : http://biggles11.wix.com/the-natural-world
If it ends up been different I will post it here
Howard

[gwillmot]

Is this post for real?

So ...... what's the magic tweak? I don't see anything different than "past" tweaks listed on your website.
Please be more specific.

[Jean Loup]

Is this post for real?

So ...... what's the magic tweak? I don't see anything different than "past" tweaks listed on your website.
Please be more specific.

We have been had

[tnw]

SO, where did you see the texture scale tweak before ???? Looking forward to the link
The tweak works for every one else I know proving there PC is up to the job and working correctly, My question is why isn't it working for you
HOW HAVE YOU BEEN HAD I cant under stand that remark, its free
Howard

[gwillmot]

My humblest apologies to the original poster. I overlooked the added line of "tweakness" on the overly-busy website buried in hard-to-read text. What was I thinking? I didn't know it was a treasure hunt.

Now, down to business - I tried this x2 thingy and see NO visual difference with no measurable impact on frame rates ....... so ........

Need input:
What empirical data do you have that it increases ANYTHING X2? What particular texture set did you use for your research? How did you conduct your "experiments" using FS9?

Suggestion:
Next time you come up with some "tweak", please just state it in your post, and don't make everyone go hunting. This dog is getting too old to hunt. Makes me think of eating mystery meat .........

As to the other poster's comment about "being had", we'll see after you post your experimental data and observations for all to examine.

[tnw]

I put the tweak out for testing to all my beta testers (no XP users data), all found an improvement although I did log onto the PC,s of some of the less able and set every thing up. I do tend to make sure there systems software are not sluggish, thing like the full Google suit which comes with a vast amount of low threat spyware which the anti virus programs do not because they do not collect personal data like names but can slow some lower spec computers down by about a third, suggest copy and pasting my full Tweaks Document and set up as per then check frame rates. Freeware programs like Advanced System Care and Eusing Free Registry Cleaner work well. Installing SpyHunter from Engima Software will let you see the extent of the problem (I would not recommend paying for it) but if you know some one who is capable of editing the registry all the info is there to do the clean manually, obviously keep fully defraged.
Howard

[gwillmot]

I put the tweak out for testing to all my beta testers (no XP users data), all found an improvement although I did log onto the PC,s of some of the less able and set every thing up. I do tend to make sure there systems software are not sluggish, thing like the full Google suit which comes with a vast amount of low threat spyware which the anti virus programs do not because they do not collect personal data like names but can slow some lower spec computers down by about a third, suggest copy and pasting my full Tweaks Document and set up as per then check frame rates. Freeware programs like Advanced System Care and Eusing Free Registry Cleaner work well. Installing SpyHunter from Engima Software will let you see the extent of the problem (I would not recommend paying for it) but if you know some one who is capable of editing the registry all the info is there to do the clean manually, obviously keep fully defraged.
Howard

Well ..... what exactly does "found an improvement" mean? Need data!
The rest of this posting is a Big Bag of Nothing ..... you have managed to spew big globs of vaporspeak which have absolutely nothing to do with your "X2 Tweak"!

I'm afraid we HAVE been had .......... unless you can provide substantially more than what you have already submitted ...... such as documented FACTS.

As such, I now pronounce this "X2 Tweak" nonsense and the figment of someone's mind which is lying to them.

[tnw]

My advice is just forget it then, and leave it to those who can. I'm sorry I cant help some one who cant communicate with a less accusations and innuendos. I will not be replying to any more of your posts.
A little more politeness would go a long way Howard

[garymbuska]

To put my two cents in.
It has been my experience that when it comes to textures these are what I call a computer to computer files. By that I mean because most people do not have the same video card or the same system what will work on one may not on another. I would not accuse anyone of bad information. I am sure that the textures can indeed improve some users system but not every user out there. That is just the way it is. You can not compare textures with different systems each system will have a different result.

Hope this helps

[PhantomTweak]

I agree with Gary. I am afraid I don't use TNW, but I did take a look at the tweak the OP has posted on his website. I applied some of the config file edits, and some I applied with slightly different values, because I have a different video card and system than the OP does. I had already installed the .exe file update, but I strongly recommend it, not just for FS but for almost any memory intensive .exe file. It helps ME a lot!

The whole thing seems to work extremely well for me, using a fairly old, slow Dell XPS Studio 1737 Core 2 Duo T9400, 2.53 GHz, Win Vista Home Premium, with all the latest upgrades, 64-bit OS, 4GB RAM , AMD 3650 video card (it was a free replacement from Dell, under warranty) with the latest Catalyst Control™ driver.

I have great Framerates, >40 FPS, even in congested, scenery intensive areas, smooth as silk, the scenery is all as good as I have ever seen on my system, even moving fast and/or at high altitudes. I normally fly choppers, so I don't get all that high and fast too often, but I did test it in an F-14 at several altitudes, and my choppers are great. I can drop down anywhere!

I don't know if any of this is useful to anyone or not, but there it all is...
Pat☺

[pegger]

One of the things microsoft did with sp1 for fsx, was cut their texture sizes in half. I'm not a user of fs2004, but I would say that such a tweak there will undoubtedly help those with a weaker computer. As noted by others, the benifits will be system specific. These types of things always are.

To the OP, i say welcome. Your contributions to the hobby are certainly appreciated, and those flaming you in this forum should take a step back and realize that a freeware contribution to flight simming is a good thing. Contributers such as yourself should be welcomed into the community, and not attacked for claiming that they have made something new.

I think its fair to say that most simmers appreciate your efforts, even if they never directly say so. The nay sayers should either offer up helpful and enlightened input, or just shut up and find another place to stand on their soap box.

[gwillmot]

All that was called for was empirical data which backs the claim of a X2 improvement. Something, anything. The response was anything but.
I'm sorry if there are some which call this "flaming". Being an aeronautical engineer myself, I don't place much faith in claims that can not be substantiated beyond "it appears to give me an improvement".
After being a member of three flight sim forums for close to 10 years now, I'm not in the habit of knocking anything, much less people, without some valid reason. Most new claims of a miraculous (X2) improvement on anything in this 10-year old simulator are, more often or not, placebo effects.

Everyone has the right to believe in anything they want to. Everyone has the right to question unsubstantiated claims. I didn't make the claim, I only questioned it. If that is "flaming", then I must be Mr. Flamethrower.

[pegger]

All that was called for was empirical data which backs the claim

Who does this....? It's a FREE flight sim mod...not a theory on aerodynamic efficiency. Put the calculator away and give the guy a break.
He was obviously excited to share his new found tweak (whether it was placebo or not does not matter) with the rest of the community here. You seemed as equally excited to try and filibuster it as fast as you could.

The tweak works for every one else I know

And he gave you empirical data...just not in a manner that you figured he should have.
TNW owes you nothing. He gave what he had for free already.

[tnw]

Thank for the support, feedback world be good maybe it can be moved up a level?.
I don't think gwillmot was ever serious about this tweak or sorting out problems he may or may not have had by the way he came in with all guns blazing asking for the virtual to be change into the tangible then shown in engineering formulas for the layman to understand, given that it does say on my site that I suffer from dyslexia.
Back to the main reason of this post. Just to clarify a point the X2 refers to the X2 scale for the terrain textures and not the end visual result, (no claim to improve your graphic is implied or meant) although you should see a marked improvement this will vary with different hardware and software and settings
To date I have no feed back from FSX my FSX PC is minimal for X with no spare capacity to render improvements

Howard

[gwillmot]

I don't think gwillmot was ever serious about this tweak or sorting out problems he may or may not have had by the way he came in with all guns blazing asking for the virtual to be change into the tangible then shown in engineering formulas for the layman to understand, given that it does say on my site that I suffer from dyslexia.
Howard

1. I was serious in seeing if this was a serious improvement
2. I didn't have any problems - my sim runs quite well, thank you.
3. I didn't ask for engineering formulas, just some PROOF the layman could understand.
4. Sorry about your dyslexia, but it has nothing to do with this matter.
5. You shouldn't drag "gwillmot" up if you don't want him to comment anymore. Notice that I have not responded nor commented UNTIL YOU decided to bump this topic up and include a "comment" about me.

I'll fade away if you stick to business.