Captain Sim V. PMDG 777 Which one is the best?

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Captain Sim V. PMDG 777 Which one is the best?

Postby BlackAce » Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:44 pm

Hi all,

So I won the Captain Sim 777 in the contest they had about year ago, and I got the PMDG 777 the day it came out. I wanted to see what one was better and find the pros and the cons of each one. So let me start

Models:
Captain Sim has everything for the 777 out, the -300ER,-200LR,-200ER and the -200LRF. PMDG only has the -200LR and -200LRF out, with the -300ER on the way (knowing PMDG in a few months) So I had to do this test with the LR Model, and I had the same plane, same paint, at the same airport during the same conditions. I chose Air Canada 777-200LR, and flew out of Toronto Person Intl.

External looks:
Captain Sim 777 has a good exterior, I like the paint they did, shiny but not to shiny, unlike PMDG's where it is very shiny. Some parts are very well detailed, like you expect from Captain Sim. PMDG also has some very good detailed parts. One of the best on PMDG's is when you get on the breaks for an RTO, and the brakes turn red hot. Here are some comparison pictures.

Captain Sim Exterior:
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PMDG Exterior:
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Another big thing on the Triple 7 is the wing flex. CS has very minimal wingflex compared to PMDG:

Captain Sim Wingflex:
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PMDG Wingflex:
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The 777-200LR has the most powerful engines in the world on her, the GE90's which produce 115,000LBf of thrust. Both do a good job of modeling the engines from the first class cabin.

Captain Sim:
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PMDG:
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After landing, I got some pictures of the Speed Breaks and reversers when I touched down.

Captain Sim:
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PMDG:
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Sounds:
Watch a YouTube Video with the GE90's roaring, and you will want that in your 777 on FSX. I honestly think that PMDG did a better job with the sounds, by CS is also very good, and they got theirs from Turbine Sound Studio, well PMDG did it on there own. on the CS one, when your in a wing view, you hear the external sound of the engine, and it is the same sound no matter where you are viewing the plane from. PMDG on the other hand, is the internal sound, and everytime you change position, you get a different noise, like you would on a real aircraft. PMDG has a different sound for every single button, switch, and lever, well CS is using recycled sounds from past airplanes.

Cockpit:
Now were getting to the good stuff. CS's has an Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) tha hold your Approach, STAR, Departure, and SID and Airport charts. It is great to use, and it is very realistic. CS also has a working weather radar, and terrain. But, like in other CS models, it does lack some stuff which is important to the experience. Some of settings, like the checklist and other MFDS doesn't work, which is a bummer. PMDG on the other hand doesn't have an EFB, or weather radar. But everything else is like you would get in a real 777. the FMS and MFDS all have working settings, everything works, every system and every knob, switch and button does something. You also get to see the mechanical cover move when you press something in the PMDG model, it is just awesome! you get all the failures, and even ground opp setting in the PMDG's FMS. Here are some cockpit shots. Sorry for the blurriness, I have to figure out how to upload at the new settings.

CS Full Cockpit:
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PMDG Full Cockpit:
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CS Detail:
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PMDG Detail:
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I then wanted to see the difference of the PFD, MFDS and ECAS:

Captain Sim:
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PMDG:
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Conclusion:
Captain Sim Pros:
-Good value compared to PMDG
-Sounds are good
-External and VC are well detailed
-All models are available
-EFB and Weather Radar

Captain Sim Cons:
-Flight Systems are not like a real 777
-Autopilot is unrealistic
-Some systems do not work.
-Engine Start is unrealistic
-FPS Heavy

PMDG Pros:
-Flight Dynamics
-Sounds
-Detail
-Autopilot and FMS
-Night Lighting
and many more

PMDG Cons:
-PRICE
- Only the LR and LRF is available

I think the PMDG is the best, hand down, but this is my opinion, I'm a real work pilot and like realism.
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Re: Captain Sim V. PMDG 777 Which one is the best?

Postby Speed of flight » Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:43 pm

I really appreciate your very detailed and fair comparison. I've been battling myself (and my wife) over this one. I've had the CS 777 for a while now. I got all the versions when they had some huge "BLOWOUT SALE" last year. The -200 was $10.00 and the -300 was also. Not a bad deal for $20.00. Even the wife agrees (if anyone can believe that).

Then I flew it. Holy moly! The VC is WAY busy. It's doing something all the time that really puts the crunch on frames. It looks great, but the hit is too hard for any positive effect the looks may have. The autopilot is quirky, and overall the systems management seems somewhat superficial.
Outside, it isn't too bad. There are 8 or 9 "most popular" liveries from CS, and many more from other places, if you look.
I can't be overly upset for the price, but it's not their best work. I prefer the 767 or even their 727 to this one. In MP, the model will look great, but not impressed really.

My favorite aircraft for FSX is the PMDG MD-11. Even though it's old now, it has kept a great balance of performance, functionality, and looks to keep me happy. You can be as busy as you want to be flying that bird. PMDG has always made a superior product, in my opinion.

That settles it. I need to get it when the -300 comes out with the 115Bs on it.

Thank you for your work! Great pics BTW. You making a lot of long hauls with those big GE90s humming?
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Re: Captain Sim V. PMDG 777 Which one is the best?

Postby BlackAce » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:34 am

[/quote]Thank you for your work! Great pics BTW. You making a lot of long hauls with those big GE90s humming?[/quote]
Thanks! Well, I fly for United VA, and I've done a charter from Augusta Maine, to Honolulu, and had to take off with the AT off so my N1 was 115%, and then I did a 14Hr Honolulu to Saint Petersburg, Russia. I've done ACA's Sydney-Vancouver-Toronto to. I'm going to do Emirates DFW-Dubai soon.
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Re: Captain Sim V. PMDG 777 Which one is the best?

Postby Bass » Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:53 am

Well Blackie, this is not an easy task!
I know its not easy to get the excact same zoom when showing 2 ac.
The Captain Sim cockpit looks more like a used airplane, which i like!
So, a little combining with some small things, would make a stunning aircraft.....
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Re: Captain Sim V. PMDG 777 Which one is the best?

Postby BlackAce » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:45 pm

The Captain Sim cockpit is dull, kinda of boring, if you look at actual pictures of 777 cockpits, PMDG hits it dead on. I agree with you that if you put some prts together, then it would be good. The only thing that I would do is take the exteral paints for the CS on and put it on PMDG, and take the EFB and put it on the PMDG, and weather radar, and thats it.
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