Question about missing instruments

[Redbirdman]

Maybe someone can give me a clue about a Long Island Classic L-16 panel that's been eluding me.

Its an FS9 model that I have had for a few years.........I just dropped in a thumbnail and sent it over to my new FSX.
At the same time I did the same for my Long Island Classics Aeronca 7AC.........
Now, both work fine in FSX. However, the 7AC has a complete VC panel, while the L16 has missing gauges !
What is weird is the 7AC uses almost all L16 gauges and panel. The config is almost exactly the same and both have gauge 'cabinet files' in the 'panel' folder....and the textures folder is identical except for a radio switch...



BTW......this air machine is rather dear to my heart......right after it came out Sea Wolf did a repaint of my old 'Civil' Aeronca from the 70's and the repaint is right there alongside the LIC L16 in all the downloads.







Soooooo, any help would really be appreciated.....
Thanks...

[PhantomTweak]

Are they "missing" or just dark? I had that with some of the gauges in an MD500 in FS'04. It looks like the knob on the right of the top pic, the silver twisty one, may be the same as in the MD 500. try clicking on the right side of it a few times and see what happens...?
Just a thought, I DO have them on very rare occaisions! They usually get lonely and go away pretty fast tho.

Have fun, fly high, far, and free!
Pat
2S7

[EVVFCX]

Hi,

Have a look at your panel.cfg, check if it's been aliased (wrongly), could be why gauges missing on one but they use same gauge set.


regards

Steve

[Redbirdman]

Thanks for the responses.....I'll check.
But the majority of the holes are not dark..... you can actually see the tubing, dust and old electrical tape under the panel...and I don't remember seeing 'aliased' in the config....but I'll check again.

[Fozzer]

The detail certainly appears within the instruments....

...maybe you just need to illuminate them...with the "Panel Lighting Switch"...(wherever that is?)... ...!

Paul...sometimes in the dark... ...!

[COBS]

Could you please post the following :-

1. the "title" of the "cabinet files" .

and

2. Copy and paste in your reply the full "Panel cfg" text .
I know that it can be quite long , but it might help in finding the reason that your
instruments are not showing.

Cheers
Karol

[Redbirdman]

Well, here we go: I hope this helps....THANKS!





7AC PANEL THAT SHOWS FINE:


This Panel.cfg file created by FS Panel Studio panel editor utility - http://www.fspanelstudio.com
// Built Thursday, December 22, 2005 at 13:43 FSPS Build:18222

[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=Engine Controls
Window02=Configuration
Window03=Radio Stack
Window04=GPS


[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL,THROTTLE_PANEL,10001,RADIO_STACK_PANEL,GPS_PANEL

VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.500
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=7.000, 0.000, 0.000



//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window00]
file=main.bmp
file_1024=main.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=7
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL

gauge00=L16 Gauges!airspeed, 787,642,97,97
gauge01=L16 Gauges!altimeter, 271,619,98,98
gauge02=L16 Gauges!rpm, 136,639,95,95
gauge03=L16 Gauges!oilpres, 399,622,58,58
gauge04=L16 Gauges!oiltemp, 564,621,58,58
gauge05=L16 Gauges!compass, 658,605,84,84
gauge06=L16 Gauges!fuel, 496,491,32,28
gauge07=L16 Gauges!engine_primer, 724,702,59,50
gauge08=L16 Gauges!cabinheat, 215,716,50,43
gauge09=L16 Gauges!skidball, 464,556,94,78
gauge10=L16 Gauges!GPS Icon, 475,734,19,19
gauge11=L16 Gauges!Radio Icon, 494,734,19,19
gauge12=L16 Gauges!Throttle Quadrant Prop Icon, 513,734,19,19
gauge13=L16 Gauges!options Icon, 532,734,19,19


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window01]
file=panel_engine.bmp
file_1024=panel_engine.bmp
size_mm=389,529
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=THROTTLE_PANEL
window_size= 0.280, 0.500
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=L16 Gauges!fuel_cutoff, 249,238,121,212
gauge01=L16 Gauges!mags, 35,336,209,171
gauge02=L16 Gauges!throttle, 66,49,128,288


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window02]
file=panel_config.bmp
file_1024=panel_config.bmp
size_mm=665
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=10001
window_size= 0.520, 0.190
window_pos= 0.250, 0.000

gauge00=L16 Gauges!Co-Pilot Status, 264,65,83,110
gauge01=L16 Gauges!Pilot Status, 105,65,83,110
gauge02=L16 Gauges!Door Status, 387,65,83,110
gauge03=L16 Gauges!Wheelpants, 504,65,83,110


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window03]
file=radio_2d.bmp
file_1024=radio_2d.bmp
size_mm=235
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL
window_size= 0.170, 0.540
window_pos= 0.830, 0.000

gauge00=L16 Gauges!radio, 41,62,154,56
gauge01=L16 Gauges!radio_popup, 43,185,143,237


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=512
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
window_size= 0.500, 0.500
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=fs9gps!gps_295, 7,10,482,396


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit01]
file=Panel_VC1.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,256
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Panel_VC1

gauge00=L16 Gauges!kohlsmanknob, 230,199,27,23
gauge01=L16 Gauges!GPS Icon, 473,229,19,19
gauge02=L16 Gauges!Radio Icon, 492,229,19,19
gauge03=L16 Gauges!Throttle Quadrant Prop Icon, 511,229,19,19
gauge04=L16 Gauges!options Icon, 530,229,19,19


[Vcockpit02]
file=Kohlsman_VC.bmp
size_mm=38,588
visible=1
render_3d_window=1
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$kohlsman_VC

gauge00=L16 Gauges!kohlsman, 5,143,21,287

//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit03]
file=radio.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=128,128
visible=0
pixel_size=128,128
texture=$radio

gauge00=L16 Gauges!radio, 7,14,112,96



[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=5,5,5
Luminous=5,5,5

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8191
SIZE_Y=8191

L 16 PANEL THAT DOES NOT SHOW INSTRUMENTS IN THE PANEL HOLES

// This Panel.cfg file created by FS Panel Studio panel editor utility - http://www.fspanelstudio.com
// Built Saturday, October 02, 2004 at 17:49 FSPS Build:14852

[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=Engine Controls
Window02=Configuration
Window03=Radio Stack
Window04=GPS


[VIEWS]
VIEW_FORWARD_WINDOWS=MAIN_PANEL,THROTTLE_PANEL,10001,RADIO_STACK_PANEL,GPS_PANEL

VIEW_FORWARD_ZOOM=0.500
VIEW_FORWARD_DIR=7.000, 0.000, 0.000



//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window00]
file=main.bmp
file_1024=main.bmp
size_mm=1024,768
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=7
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL

gauge00=L16 Gauges!airspeed, 787,642,97,97
gauge01=L16 Gauges!altimeter, 271,619,98,98
gauge02=L16 Gauges!rpm, 136,639,95,95
gauge03=L16 Gauges!oilpres, 399,622,58,58
gauge04=L16 Gauges!oiltemp, 564,621,58,58
gauge05=L16 Gauges!compass, 658,605,84,84
gauge06=L16 Gauges!fuel, 496,491,32,28
gauge07=L16 Gauges!engine_primer, 724,702,59,50
gauge08=L16 Gauges!cabinheat, 215,716,50,43
gauge09=L16 Gauges!skidball, 464,556,94,78
gauge10=L16 Gauges!GPS Icon, 475,734,19,19
gauge11=L16 Gauges!Radio Icon, 494,734,19,19
gauge12=L16 Gauges!Throttle Quadrant Prop Icon, 513,734,19,19
gauge13=L16 Gauges!options Icon, 532,734,19,19
gauge14=l16 gauges!Emerg Status, 933, 651 ,91,113


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window01]
file=panel_engine.bmp
file_1024=panel_engine.bmp
size_mm=389,529
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=THROTTLE_PANEL
window_size= 0.280, 0.500
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=L16 Gauges!fuel_cutoff, 249,238,121,212
gauge01=L16 Gauges!mags, 35,336,209,171
gauge02=L16 Gauges!throttle, 66,49,128,288


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window02]
file=panel_config.bmp
file_1024=panel_config.bmp
size_mm=665
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=10001
window_size= 0.520, 0.190
window_pos= 0.250, 0.000

gauge00=L16 Gauges!Co-Pilot Status, 298,64,83,110
gauge01=L16 Gauges!Disco_ball_Status, 484,63,83,110
gauge02=L16 Gauges!Pilot Status, 106,63,83,110


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window03]
file=radio_2d.bmp
file_1024=radio_2d.bmp
size_mm=235
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=RADIO_STACK_PANEL
window_size= 0.170, 0.540
window_pos= 0.830, 0.000

gauge00=L16 Gauges!radio, 41,62,154,56
gauge01=L16 Gauges!radio_popup, 43,185,143,237


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Window04]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=512
window_size_ratio=1.000
position=0
visible=0
ident=GPS_PANEL
window_size= 0.500, 0.500
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000

gauge00=fs9gps!gps_295, 7,10,482,396


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit01]
file=Panel_VC.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,256
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Panel_VC

gauge00=L16 Gauges!airspeed, 842,119,107,107
gauge01=L16 Gauges!altimeter, 234,99,108,108
gauge02=L16 Gauges!rpm, 78,122,106,106
gauge03=L16 Gauges!oilpres, 383,99,64,64
gauge04=L16 Gauges!oiltemp, 577,99,65,65
gauge05=l16 gauges!Emerg Status, 3,5,83,110


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit02]
file=Panel_VC1.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,256
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Panel_VC1

gauge00=L16 Gauges!kohlsmanknob, 230,199,27,23
gauge01=L16 Gauges!GPS Icon, 473,229,19,19
gauge02=L16 Gauges!Radio Icon, 492,229,19,19
gauge03=L16 Gauges!Throttle Quadrant Prop Icon, 511,229,19,19
gauge04=L16 Gauges!options Icon, 530,229,19,19


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit03]
file=Compass_VC.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=128,128
visible=0
pixel_size=128,128
texture=$Compass_VC

gauge00=L16 Gauges!compass, 7,5,119,119


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit04]
file=Compass_VC1.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=128,128
visible=0
pixel_size=128,128
texture=$Compass_VC1



//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit05]
file=volt_meter.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=128,128
visible=0
pixel_size=128,128
texture=$volt_meter

gauge00=L16 Gauges!voltage, 38,39,52,22


//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit06]
file=radio.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=128,128
visible=0
pixel_size=128,128
texture=$radio

gauge00=L16 Gauges!radio, 7,14,112,96


[Color]
Day=255,255,255
Night=5,5,5
Luminous=5,5,5

[Default View]
X=0
Y=0
SIZE_X=8191
SIZE_Y=6143



whewww.. that was a lot of typing! :>)

[Bass]

As i see it, FSX dont read you FS9 VC textures correctly.
Try to mess about a little with Kohlsman_VC.

Remember to save what you got.

[COBS]

OK , thanks for that.

Note the difference between the two Panel cfg's.
The working one has 3 VC entries , ie: [Vcockpit01] [Vcockpit02] [Vcockpit03]
While.
The NON working one has 6 VC entries , ie: [Vcockpit01] to [Vcockpit06]

Try the Following :-

1. Copy the Current "NON" working Panel cfg , then paste it into a Folder in your 'My Documents' area
this is you insurance backup copy.

2. Go to your working Panel cfg
"Right Click" your mouse and hold it down at the very beginning of [Vcockpit01] then drag it down
to the very end of [Vcockpit03] ,
now release you mouse,
You will see that all 3 VC sections are hilighted , "Left click" the mouse on the Hilighted area , you
will get a dialogue box , select copy .

NOW.
Go to your NON working Panel cfg
Hilight all 6 VC sections . ( Right click and drag)
Then "Left click" on the hilighted area , and select 'Paste" from the dialogue box.
You will now only have 3 VC sections in this Panel cfg .

IMPORTANT ... SAVE your modified Panel cfg .

PLEASE be very careful to ensure you Highlight " ALL " of the VC sections concerned .

Now go and test fly the aircraft to see if it works .

Please let us know if that fixes your problem.

Cheers
Karol

PS : you Modified VC section should end up looking like the following ;

[Vcockpit01]
file=Panel_VC1.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,256
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Panel_VC1

gauge00=L16 Gauges!kohlsmanknob, 230,199,27,23
gauge01=L16 Gauges!GPS Icon, 473,229,19,19
gauge02=L16 Gauges!Radio Icon, 492,229,19,19
gauge03=L16 Gauges!Throttle Quadrant Prop Icon, 511,229,19,19
gauge04=L16 Gauges!options Icon, 530,229,19,19


[Vcockpit02]
file=Kohlsman_VC.bmp
size_mm=38,588
visible=1
render_3d_window=1
pixel_size=512,512
texture=$kohlsman_VC

gauge00=L16 Gauges!kohlsman, 5,143,21,287

//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit03]
file=radio.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=128,128
visible=0
pixel_size=128,128
texture=$radio

gauge00=L16 Gauges!radio, 7,14,112,96

[COBS]

Is it possible that you got the WORKING and NON WORKING Panel cfg's the wrong way around ?

What you stated as the " working " panel cfg
does not have the following VC section in it , therefore the instruments listed in that section should not be
showing up in the Virtual Cockpit.

//--------------------------------------------------------
[Vcockpit01]
file=Panel_VC.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,256
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$Panel_VC

gauge00=L16 Gauges!airspeed, 842,119,107,107
gauge01=L16 Gauges!altimeter, 234,99,108,108
gauge02=L16 Gauges!rpm, 78,122,106,106
gauge03=L16 Gauges!oilpres, 383,99,64,64
gauge04=L16 Gauges!oiltemp, 577,99,65,65
gauge05=l16 gauges!Emerg Status, 3,5,83,110


//--------------------------------------------------------

In my opinion the version with the 6 VC sections should be the one that works.

PLEASE check this out before doing what was suggested at my previous post .

Cheers
Karol

[Redbirdman]

OK..
First : I am sure the 7AC model that does work was constructed by Long Island Classics after the L16... I say this because Sea Wolf did not have the 7AC to construct my old 'civil' repaint on at the time, so he used the L16. The build 'dates' in the config reinforce this.
2nd: The shorter config does belong to the working panel in the 7AC....I just checked.

3rd.... I am not absolutely sure, but I believe the panel actually worked when I first installed the L16 in FSX a month ago.
I say this because I was curious to see if my old Airknocker , my PA 38112 Tomahawk and scenery someone made for me of my own house and airport would work in fsx ? AND IT DID.......except the scenery lost hangar doors and made the trees look like concrete blocks.

soooooo, I went to the next step and installed fsupic, FSXFlight, teamspeak, SP 1 and SP 2.. and tried to get FSinn and copilot setup (in whatever required order)...NO JOY on FS Inn and copilot......but all the others are a go.
THEN......I found the missing instruments in the L16.......but OK instruments in the 7AC
AND a major problem with the Tommyhawk panel.........

I thought I would take the problems one at a time but now I am wondering if SP2 or some other anomaly possessed my electric machine?

anyhow........I have a day or two's work set out for me on a RW annual with a high priced A and E , so I'll get back and try this all out tonight
THANK YOU all for working on this with me...


(photo from 1969, the little girl now works for a busy NYC heliport and her daughter is often my co-pilot )

[COBS]

That's a nice shot , they do tend to grow up too quickly , don't they .

I have downloaded this thread , and will carefully look at the two Panel cfg's to see if I can detect any differences.
As far as I can see both panels should be identical.

I think that it would be nice to get it working.

Cheers
Karol

[Hagar]

I thought I would take the problems one at a time but now I am wondering if SP2 or some other anomaly possessed my electric machine?

That sounds like the answer to me. Some FS9 aircraft that display perfectly well in the RTM version of FSX have problems with SP2. It will be a display priority issue in the VC - the MDL file not the panel. I doubt it can be fixed by tweaking Panel.cfg.

I'm downloading the L-16 to check it out.

Update. Just installed the L-16 to my FSX Gold + Acceleration. It's as I suspected & I fear nothing can be done. I'll try it in FSX RTM on my laptop later to confirm.

[PhantomTweak]

Obviously, the only possible solution is to remove the possessing spirit by sprinkling holy water blessed by a Westinghouse Tech-Rep on the CPU until the evil grey smoke is seen leaving the unit! Sadly, if you use too much, the GOOD blue smoke will leave also, and the unit will be dead. One must be VERY careful!

Good luck, and here's hoping for the best!
BTW, nice A/C in the piccy! Hope the young lady in question is a good C/P for ya!

Pat B., chillin' in Chiioquin!

[Hagar]

I think this confirms that it's an SP2 display issue wth the L-16 MDL.

L-16 VC in FSX RTM (straight out of the box without SP2 installed).


Same aircraft in FSX Gold + Acceleration (including SP1 & SP2).


7AC in FSX Gold + Acceleration as above.


I don't know of any way to fix it.