What's the best Zoom Level?

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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby Daube » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:43 pm

With WideViewAspect set to "False", at the default 0.70x zoom level, your field of view will be more narrow than when you set the WideViewAspect to "True".
I'm going to do some screenshots.
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby Daube » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:58 pm

Ok, here they are:

1- WideViewAspect=False, zoom=0.70
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2- WideViewAspect=False, zoom=1.00
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3- WideViewAspect=True, zoom=0.70
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4- WideViewAspect=True, zoom=1.00
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby nnd816 » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:19 pm

Thank you/merci , WideViewAspect=True at the default zoom flies great. Right now I am flying the excellent Iris Global Express but I'll have to fly all my favorite airplanes again.
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby jandjfrench » Thu Jul 04, 2013 6:16 pm

Hi,
Thanks Daube. The first and last pictures in the series represent what I was saying. I guess the zoom in the first picture would have to be set to 0.68 for the pictures to match perfectly, and that sounds familiar. I first became aware of this when I read a post saying to set the WideViewAspect to True if you have a widescreen monitor. I did, but didn't notice any change immediately. I was getting ready to take off in a C172 several days later when I noticed a Glideslope antenna was visible that I hadn't noticed before. I thought there was a problem with a scenery file before I realized what was really going on.
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby Daube » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:33 am

It's not only about how much of the cockpit you can see. It's also about how the external world appears.

=> The zoom is the main problem.

If you sit in the cockpit with zoom 1.0x, there is almost no distortion of the outside world perspective, contrary to smaller values of zoom which produces more and more fish-eye effect. If you set the zoom to 0.40x, then you will get a lot of distortion. Just like with a wideview video camera, when you aim at somebody that stands just 5 meters away from you, that person looks like he's sitting 10 or 15m away when you watch the video on the TV. That happened to me frequently when I was recording my skydive jumps with a friend. We were falling quite close to each other, trying some acrobatic moves. My friend was like 5 meters from me and I was filming him with an helmet camera, with wideview lens. I thought the resulting movie would look great. But when we finally landed and took a look to the recording, it was a major dissappointment: my friend was so small on the picture, it looked like we were 20 meters away from each other. But in reality, we were quite close...

The same thing happens in our sim. I used to fly with 0.50x zoom in the cockpit, because I liked the nice visibility of the panel and instruments that such a zoom could offer. However, I got frustrated because the perception of distance in the sim was wrong. The majestic mountains on the PNW area (OrbX) around me were all looking so small. And when I was appraoching a runway or an aircraft carrier, I was always suffering from the fact that everything looked so distant, until the very last moment when everything suddenly jumps at my face !

So I started to try to pilot with bigger zoom value. At first, I was afraid to loose too much cockpit visibility... but after a short period of test, I found out that the cockpit was still visible enough, and the proportions of the outside world were much more pleasant to the eye. The whole perception of distance, as well as the perception of my own plane's movements, the way the surrounding terrain was looking... all was much better. So I finally adopted the default 0.70 zoom, and occasionnaly I use 0.80x. These values are not perfect, of course, but they do offer a much better balance between visibility and perception.

Now, when it comes to the WideViewAspect value, the screenshots above say it all: values like 0.80x are almost unusable when using the value "False" on a widescreen. To maintain the same visibility of the cockpit, I have to decrease the zoom much more than with the "True" value. And this smaller zoom value brings it more distortion in my surrounding scenery. Furthermore, the problem is not so bad on my screenshots because I use a small plane with a small cockpit. But if I would sit in the cockpit of a larger plane, the cockpit visbility problems would become even more critical. And the absolute-worst situation would be when using three screens side-by-side, because in that case the cockpit would not be visible at all !

So in the end, the conclusion of my tests were that, when using a (some) wide screen(s), the WideViewAspect set to "True" allows the user to fly with an higher zoom value, which means less distortion of the vision, while keeping a better visibility of the cockpit.
To keep the same cockpit visibility with WideViewAspect set to "False" would force the user to decrease the zoom to very low values, leading to huge distortion.
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby logjam » Fri Jul 05, 2013 12:48 pm

I'd like to try this tweak, but my FSX config file doesn't seem to have anything like that. Is it hidden?
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby nnd816 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:54 pm

logjam wrote:I'd like to try this tweak, but my FSX config file doesn't seem to have anything like that. Is it hidden?


Yes it's a hidden file, you'll have to go to Window Explorer: go to C/Users/"Your Name"/AppData/Roaming/Microsoft/FSX, there's a fsx file you can edit with Notepad.
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby logjam » Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:05 pm

Unfortunately, I am now using Windows 8. I can’t get past my name.
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby nnd816 » Fri Jul 05, 2013 6:21 pm

logjam wrote:Unfortunately, I am now using Windows 8. I can’t get past my name.


Try typing the whole string at the top search bar, I am still using Win 7 so am not sure.
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby Bass » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:59 am

Well Daube, i must agree with you (on some "views"), when having tried it forth and back.
The one thing i need to get used to, is when looking down in cockpit the WVA really gets WIDE, and that is not normal!
Maybe the benefit on the outside view contra my habit will take over ;)
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level? I look at it this way...

Postby hughbetcha » Sat Jul 06, 2013 9:04 am

Greetings-
FWIW, I look at it this way(pardon the pun)...

When I fly RW in my Cessna I just see things as they are. In all fairness, I've never done any sort of measurements or comparisons. My vision is corrected 20/20 w/glasses BTB.
In FSX I'm using a high-spec PC with a 60-inch 120hz LCD HDTV. It's ~4Ft. from my eyes. I generally fly at .6-.7. zoom. I use TrackIR, so I can lean a little closer, just as I might occasionally lean closer to the panel to read the twidgey bits on the GPS. To me it just seems to look 'right'. It may not be exactly as one would see things through the RW windscreen, that's true, but to me it needn't be exactly so. Since I can run all the settings and sliders in FSX WFO, turned up to eleven, I like to see all the details of the sky, WX and ground that I've paid so %#*!@& much for. To my eyes, and the mind's eye, this is best. If you have a big HDTV and haven't tried it with FSX, I urge you to do so. I've seen some rather low-powered PC's running FSX that looked quite good, even if many of the settings were turned down substantially. The key's frame rates, making it flow smoothly. Zoom level can affect that too, I think.

The bottom line is, it's a sim, it's for fun, and while many of the settings do need to be set as close to reality as possible, thus aiding suspension-of-disbelief, I believe that one may take substantial liberties with zoom levels and some other visuals. These just make it more fun, and if it isn't fun, why bother?

Enjoy. Keep watching the skies! ;-)
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby Bass » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:03 am

Well said hb :clap:
and welcome on SimV ;)
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Re: What's the best Zoom Level?

Postby logjam » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:18 am

Thanks guys for all the info. I managed to work out how to change my .cfg file and now have a great level of realism on my 27” monitor. From what I remember my experience of flying the Cirrus SR20 is close. I have hi spec pc too with scads of memory it’s fast and I have all the sliders maxed. I have UTX and a few very good Airport sceneries. Now I’m well into retirement and my eyeballs aren’t what they used to be, so this observation is subjective. The only thing for me to try next is a side by side comparison with FS9.
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