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Not another Spartan post

Postby gryshnak » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:04 pm

Nope, I mean it.  No pics of Spartans here.

I just wanted to say, while I'm sure it's a very nice design and extremely well detailed, it does absolutely nothing for me.  It belongs in that 50's era when everything had curves in the wrong places, and good taste was abandoned.

Judging from all the gushing and spouting, I'm probably the only one on SimV who won't be downloading it.  I don't care.  I'll just wait for this latest craze to blow over, then carry on as before.

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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby GA_Pilot » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:10 pm

Personally I like the Spartan, but to each his own  ;D
Would be a pretty boring world if everyone all liked the same thing....I really dont care for the D-18, or the Howard 500, which was all the rage awhile back... ;)
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby cspyro21 » Sun Jan 22, 2006 3:27 pm

Nope, I mean it.  No pics of Spartans here.

I just wanted to say, while I'm sure it's a very nice design and extremely well detailed, it does absolutely nothing for me.  It belongs in that 50's era when everything had curves in the wrong places, and good taste was abandoned.

Judging from all the gushing and spouting, I'm probably the only one on SimV who won't be downloading it.  I don't care.  I'll just wait for this latest craze to blow over, then carry on as before.

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Great shots Gryshnak!
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Okay Gryshnak, I suppose you're more of a modern GA person? ;)
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby RollerBall » Sun Jan 22, 2006 4:39 pm

[quote]Nope, I mean it.
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby gryshnak » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:26 pm

I really dont care for the D-18, or the Howard 500, which was all the rage awhile back... ;)

Not sure I could tell the 500 from the Spartan at a quick glance!  And no, I didn't d/l the 500 either.
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby RollerBall » Sun Jan 22, 2006 5:49 pm

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Not sure I could tell the 500 from the Spartan at a quick glance!
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby gryshnak » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:00 pm

Okay Gryshnak, I suppose you're more of a modern GA person? ;)

I like sleek smooth planes like this little BD-5J (which would be an excellent choice for a SimV race one day...)
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Or square and boxy and full of character, like this Fieseler Storch which would be ideal for a spot landing competition...
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All the Spartan has to offer is smoothly blended curves in all the wrong places.  And cigarettes.

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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby gryshnak » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:07 pm

:) Aw c'mon . You're being all ratty just for the sake of it. The Howard is a twin with twin tail fins and you know you could tell the difference if you wanted to..... :-*

Oh, am I thinking of the wrong plane?  (Goes to check out the Howard 500)  Yep, wrong plane.  Sorry.  I meant the Hughes H1B.  Same design school as the Spartan, but uglier.

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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby Souichiro » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:18 pm

I actually Have the version which came out at the SOH...Haven't installed it though..... I'll wait for some nice repaints and post some shots in a few weeks ;D

Knowing the fantastic work of milton shupe I know this plane is going to be fantastic!
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby Travis » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:39 pm

Just for a little controversy:

The Golden Age of aircraft was so named simply for the fact that prior to the 1950's, aircraft travel and ownership was the meilieu of the wealthy and/or eccentric.  With the economic and technological boost created by WWII, the world saw a marked increase in both aircraft sales and travel by aircraft, making air travel a sellable idea for the entepreneurs of the world.

As such, many aircraft manufacturers (Douglas, Lockheed, etc) began creating civilian aircraft for travel in large numbers, all with technology dreamed up in the race for air superiority brought on in the War.  And so America (and much of the rest of the world) fell in love with the IDEA of flight.  Not necessarily the great performance of aircraft or the amazing stuff to put in the cockpit, but the fact that one could hop into this machine, and be anywhere on the continent in a few hours.  It was a technological and sociological boom that I would equate to the advent and marketing of the internet in the early 80's.

Now, in my opinion, the world doesn't revolve the same as it used to.  Most people today are looking not for the next great innovation in aircraft development, but for modifications on their favorites.  We don't create brand new personal aircraft anymore, stuff that no one's seen; most technological developments are in the way of creature-comforts or digitizing the industry.

Most aircraft TODAY look far too much alike for me to tell the difference.  

FOR INSTANCE

I can easily tell the difference in the two images below:

GLOBE SWIFT
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SPARTAN EXECUTIVE
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However, I have an extreme difficulty in telling these two apart on first inspection:

BEECHCRAFT BARON:
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PIPER AZTEC:
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The difference in the first two is the entire creation process.  They have very little to do with each other, other than a common use.  And they aren't necessarily very good at what they do, which is why I love both of them.  They have their little quirkes, and that's what makes them attractive to me.

The second two are so similar, I could fly around in either one (simming) all day and not realize the difference unless I actually knew what I was flying.   I even found a repaint on SimV one time that was for the Baron, but said it was a Piper Aztec.

And other than that, the craftsmanship that went into the Executive (for FS) was amazing.  So much comprehensive, user-friendly stuff that it virtually flies itself.  Tweak the trim just a little bit, and she'll fly true and level regardless of the winds.  But when you want to get low and fast, she can do that, too.  I can't say the same for the Baron or Aztec.  Or even the Cessna 182RG.  It just doesn't compare.

Now, someone please disagree with me . . .
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby Travis » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:46 pm

Sorry to post twice in a row, but you seem to have caught me in the middle of MY post.

If you can't tell the difference between the Hughes H-1b and the Executive, try looking again.  I won't post images, because this thread's probably getting a bit heavy already, but suffice to say: the H-1b is a single-seater and the Exec is a 6-person.  BIIIIIIGGG difference . . .

And how dare you call my baby ugly!!!! ;D
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby SkyNoz » Sun Jan 22, 2006 6:51 pm

Nicely put Locke, love the information you give. I think the golden age was one of the best times of American Aviation. ;D
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby Jakemaster » Sun Jan 22, 2006 9:23 pm

Gryshnak, no one cares that you dont like the design of the spartan.  First of all, its from the 30's, not the 50's.  Secondly, just because the plane doesnt do it for you doesnt mean it shouldnt do it for anyone else.  Also, i think that it deserves all of the posts because Milton Shupe did EXCELLENT work and deserves to be respected for it.
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Re: Not another Spartan post

Postby Ivan » Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:05 am

That spartan has the best idle sounds since the FS2000 DC-3 from what is now MAAM-Sim
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