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Postby RAFAIR100 » Mon Jul 23, 2007 12:44 pm

I have a number of aircraft fitted with the Jumo 205 opposed piston diesel engine.      The thing has six cylinders and twelve pistons.      From the standpoint of computing the cubic capacity per cylinder, is this engine regarded as a six cylinder or a twelve cylinder design?      I feel that it ought to be twelve cylinder but I'd like some confirmation before I get the sums wrong.
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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby Fozzer » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:01 pm

I have a number of aircraft fitted with the Jumo 205 opposed piston diesel engine.      The thing has six cylinders and twelve pistons.      From the standpoint of computing the cubic capacity per cylinder, is this engine regarded as a six cylinder or a twelve cylinder design?      I feel that it ought to be twelve cylinder but I'd like some confirmation before I get the sums wrong.


How is that possible? You must have 1 piston per cylinder surely?

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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby Zaphod » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:08 pm

I have a number of aircraft fitted with the Jumo 205 opposed piston diesel engine.      The thing has six cylinders and twelve pistons.      From the standpoint of computing the cubic capacity per cylinder, is this engine regarded as a six cylinder or a twelve cylinder design?      I feel that it ought to be twelve cylinder but I'd like some confirmation before I get the sums wrong.


How is that possible? You must have 1 piston per cylinder surely?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_205

The pistons meet in the middle...;)...!

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LOL.  I deleted my post after doing exactely that! It's amazing the things you find out on this forum.

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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby Fozzer » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:23 pm

I have a number of aircraft fitted with the Jumo 205 opposed piston diesel engine.      The thing has six cylinders and twelve pistons.      From the standpoint of computing the cubic capacity per cylinder, is this engine regarded as a six cylinder or a twelve cylinder design?      I feel that it ought to be twelve cylinder but I'd like some confirmation before I get the sums wrong.


How is that possible? You must have 1 piston per cylinder surely?

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Good-old Wikipedia...;)...>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Jumo_205

The pistons meet in the middle...;)...!

Paul....with a 180 degree crankshaft twin motorcycle engine 8-)...!


LOL.  I deleted my post after doing exactely that! It's amazing the things you find out on this forum.

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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby Sir_Crashalot » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:10 pm

LOL Paul.

Never heard of a 6 cilinder, 12 piston engine. Learned something today. Thanks for that. And I think it still is a six cilinder design.

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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby C » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:17 pm

By nature of it being diesel, and hence ignition by compression (very simply), both pistons in each cylinder would need to be synchronized at TDC and B/LDC - if they weren't you have some very strange effects.

With this in mind, I think you need to effectively "divide" each cylinder in two, effectively making the calculation as if it was for 12 cylinders (well, calculating the capacity of one cylinder with the piston at B/LDC, and multiplying it by 12! ;D)
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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby RAFAIR100 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 5:40 am

Thanks Charlie.        Since you and I agree, everyone else MUST be wrong.
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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby C » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:17 am

I can't gaurantee I'm right though! ;D I've just been logical...
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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby gypsymoth » Sat Jul 28, 2007 12:40 pm

Wow - thank goodness my Pan European's engine is so logical & what about the new Wankel for 'planes ?!!
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Re: Opposed piston engines

Postby Fozzer » Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:57 pm

Wow - thank goodness my Pan European's engine is so logical & what about the new Wankel for 'planes ?!!


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