Choosing which firearm to buy.

[ozzy72]

I'll share one of my darker fantasies with you. This is the one when Mr/Mrs. Stupid gets out of their tin-can after being hauled by the Feds and they're made to spread 'em over the bonnet (hood) of the car and then the police pull down their trousers and shove the mobile where the sun DOESN'T shine. That way they're REALLY talking out of their a$$! Of course it doesn't help I was T-boned by dozey doris on her mobile whilst riding my Honda one morning.... biased? Me? Yup!

[TacitBlue]

Oddly enough, I was just thinking about a little incident I had a few years ago. I don't have a mobile phone now, but I did then. I was talking on it while driving and almost got into an accident. I started to pull into an intersection and a van missed me by inches. After that I wouldn't talk on the phone and drive if my life depended on it. I would just let it ring and call them back later. Take it from someone who has seen it from both sides: cell phones and cars do NOT mix.

[Loafing Smurf]

Taking a class in sociology of medicine. It seems that motor vehicle accidents is a bigger issue that I anticipated.

Of the top of my head I can come with some concerning points.

-70% of deaths between 16-25 is due to automotive accidents. A significant portion of this percentage is due to drunk driving.

-80% of car accidents is a result of some form of neglect. The other 20% is due to unanticipated complications, such as icy roads.

-Men tend to get in more fatal accidents than women. Although women get in more accidents than men.

-The ratio of motor accidents deaths to conflict deaths in Israel is 4:1.


Deaths is not the only issue in car accidents. There is a significant prevalence in long term damage. I wont go into detail with the stories that I hear from the hospitals. But, long term damage may very much effect your life. Like, loss of an arm will change or take away your daily physical activities.


Its just something that jumped out of my readings. Sort of like how I was also surprised at the number of people that get their member stuck in a vacuum.

[Scorpiоn]

Its just something that jumped out of my readings. Sort of like how I was also surprised at the number of people that get their member stuck in a vacuum.

Umm, turn the vacuum off?

[rootbeer]

I'm joing this discussionm kind of late. When did we go from what gun to buy to cell phones and vacuum cleaners? For which gun to buy, I'm full of opinions and sage knowledge, all of it worth what you pay. For vacuum cleaners, I recommend an Oreck. As much advertising as he does, you know he's sellin' them buggers big time...

I don't have a cell phone, so I can't speak to that. However, I do see people yakking away that to look at them, you'd never think anyone would call them in the first place or that they'd have anyone to call in the second place.


My suggestions for which gun(s) to buy:

For your accuracy-training rifle, buy the Savage 93R17. It is available in lefthand if you are so afflicted, as I am. The righty model has the Accu-trigger-- always a good thing. The ammo is about triple the cost of .22LR, but the accuracy and downrange trajectory beats the .22 all to hell. Plus, it "feels right" when you shoot it, not like a cheap, lightweight toy. Savages are known for having very good accuracy right out of the box. Mine does... Combine the rifle with a scope specifically designed for this cartridge (the BSA Sweet 17-- comes in at least two magnification variations) and you'll be good to go.

For your pistol, I recommend the Ruger Mark II. I have the 10" bull barrel model in blue and it's a tack-driver out to 50 yards or so with opoen sights. I scoped it and it's even better. There are a myriad number of accessories and add-ons for this very popular pistol, so you'll never be wanting a little more for it. B-Square makes a slide-on scope mount for it that requires no drilling or any alteration to your gun and Volquartsen even makes a lefthand grip for it if you're so afflicted, as I am.

Once you develop some skill at putting several bullets into the same hole at 100 yards with the above rifle and the same feat at fifty yards with the above pistol, you'll be knowledgeable enough to choose your long-range gun. Many marksmen use the 6.5mm-.284 because it's very accurate out to 1000 yards and kicks very little for those long days and sweaty palms at shooting tournaments. A serious accuracy rifle can cost serious buckage. Mine is at about $3900 right now with a cheap scope on it. When I get my scope, it will be at almost $7000. I ain't talkin' no Leupold, either. I'm talkin' 'bout the Schmidt-Bender 5-25X PM II. You have to look through one to believe it. I have no words...

Along the way, you'll see various guns that you might want to buy, but I advise you keep your goal in mind and buy only what will suit your needs. Accuracy shooting is fun, challenging and rewarding. It can also be so infuriating as to make you want to chuck it for crossword puzzles. Some days you will amaze yourself; others you'll be sorry you showed up. But it's like golf: the more you practice, the better you get.

And to these guys who "hate" guns, all I can say is that I am sorry for you in your misguided, ill-informed fear. A gun is a tool. It is an inert object until a human hand takes it up. It is incumbent upon the user to be responsible with it. To blame a tool for the actions of a human is cowardice, ignorance, blame-shifting, falling victim to the lies and hype of the media, and irrational fear. Basically, it's liberalism. Liberalsim is a lie, but you'll never hear a liberal admit it. Liberalism says "you can't do it without government intervention."  Well, what did we do before government came to wipe our mouths and tie our shoes for us? I suspect we did it ourselves. Then Johnson got elected, chose the blacks as the next victim group to be perpetual voters for the Democrats and it's all been downhill from there. We've taken 7 trillion dollars over the past 40 years from those work and given it to those won't wont-- and the poverty rate is still right about where it was in 1965. Teenage pregnancy is up, murder is up, single-mom homes are up, the prison population is up-- all the ills of society are up since Johnson's Great Society. Liberalism is a failure, but they keep trying because to hear them tell it, it just hasn't been correctly tried yet. Bullclinton!!

[TacitBlue]

You got a tad too political there in the end, but other than that I agree with you on the topic of firearms.

The Ruger with the bull-barrel is an excellect target pistol. In fact, that's what it was made for. My father has one, and I've put many rounds through it. I've never shot in competition though, always just for my own personal satisfaction.

Laugh if you want, but I've been messing with my old air rifle lately. This thing is no toy, It's a Crossman pumpmaster 760 with hard wood stocks. I can knock a can over a 50 yards with a lead pellet. My goal is to at least hit a target at 100 with it.

[rootbeer]

Just trying to keep it lively. What good is being able to talk with hundreds or even thousands of folks all over the world if everyone is overtly polite? I am not here to ignite idiotic flame wars.  I have no time for them and they so soon disintegrate into ad hominem attacks. Notice I called no one a crackpot or worse for not appreciating a fine piece of machined steel and hand-tooled wood. I "hate" it when a gun is used by a criminal for any purpose because criminals are not allowed to have guns. Because criminals use guns, governments want to take mine rather than put the hammer on the crooks. Why? Because government is powerless to stop a criminal-- it can't be everywhere, stopping every crime. So it passes laws against people who don't commit crimes with guns and thinks it has solved the problem. Result: My gun gets taken and the criminal continues on his merry way, unfettered as before. For proof, look at Great Britain since it took away everybody's guns. Crime has gone stratospheric. 1 in 4 Britishers has been or will be the victim of a violent crime. People are being murderd in their homes as they sit and watch TV-- the crooks fear no powerful response from the disarmed homeowner. If the homeowner does respond with force, HE is heading to the hoosegow for violating the perps "rights." A perp has "rights?" What right is that? To kill a citizen because said citizen got in the way of the baddie while said baddie is robbing, raping and murdering? In the States, the perp has rights in court-- if he lives to get there. And that's the way it ought to be...


I just found this part of the site yesterday or the day before. If my opinions, thoughts and ideas are too intense, direct or controversial for y'all, I'll gladly slink away to the kinder, gentler areas. I came here to learn about FS. I left another very large site because it got so hate-filled about virtually every topic you can imagine. It's almost as if the posters wanted to kill each other over Ford vs. Chevy or Raiders vs. anybody. It was insane. I don't miss the idiocy over there at all. I don't even go back to see what's new in the more intelligent forums anymore. My blood pressure has actually declined since I left.

Y'all have a good night...

[Hagar]

For proof, look at Great Britain since it took away everybody's guns. Crime has gone stratospheric. 1 in 4 Britishers has been or will be the victim of a violent crime. People are being murderd in their homes as they sit and watch TV-- the crooks fear no powerful response from the disarmed homeowner. If the homeowner does respond with force, HE is heading to the hoosegow for violating the perps "rights."

If you're going to spout NRA propaganda please make sure you get your facts right. Using firearms for personal protection has not been legal in Britain during my lifetime so nobody disarmed anyone. The majority of ordinary homeowners never had a gun to start with. The law has not changed in this respect for at least a century. I don't know anyone in my country who has ever owned or felt the need to own a handgun for "personal protection". My father never owned a gun & neither did my grandfather. I have never seen an armed police officer in my home town & never want to.

[quote][color=Blue]Firearms were used in 73 homicides in 2004/05 (under one in ten of all homicides), five more than the previous year.
There were 2,659 firearm robberies in 2004/05 (4% of all robbery offences)

[commoner]

And to these guys who "hate" guns, all I can say is that I am sorry for you in your misguided, ill-informed fear. A gun is a tool. It is an inert object until a human hand takes it up. It is incumbent upon the user to be responsible with it. To blame a tool for the actions of a human is cowardice, ignorance, blame-shifting, falling victim to the lies and hype of the media, and irrational fear. Basically, it's liberalism. Liberalsim is a lie, but you'll never hear a liberal admit it. Liberalism says "you can't do it without government intervention."  Well, what did we do before government came to wipe our mouths and tie our shoes for us? I suspect we did it ourselves. Then Johnson got elected, chose the blacks as the next victim group to be perpetual voters for the Democrats and it's all been downhill from there. We've taken 7 trillion dollars over the past 40 years from those work and given it to those won't wont-- and the poverty rate is still right about where it was in 1965. Teenage pregnancy is up, murder is up, single-mom homes are up, the prison population is up-- all the ills of society are up since Johnson's Great Society. Liberalism is a failure, but they keep trying because to hear them tell it, it just hasn't been correctly tried yet. Bullclinton!!

....just a tad too "heavy" politically and otherwise for my taste Rootbeer if you don't mind..........

....it would be (IMHO) better to do what you said you had come here for..what was that now?.."to learn about FS" That is what we are ALL here for after all, so why try to push your political opinions at us?

I KNOW what a gun is and I KNOW what they were designed (invented) to do.......I am also old enough and wise enough to make up my own mind whether I LOVE or HATE the things................commoner

[Fozzer]

..... I was also surprised at the number of people that get their member stuck in a vacuum.

Solution...?
(a) Find a good Woman..
(b) Find a knot hole in a tree at the bottom of the garden.

...sorted... ...!

Paul... ...!

[commoner]

Solution...?
(a) Find a good Woman..
(b) Find a knot hole in a tree at the bottom of the garden.

...sorted... ...!

Paul... ...!

...........lol...I'd settle for either just now but you might be also surprised at the number of people who get their member stuck up..........

(a) A good Woman..
(b) A knot hole in a tree at the bottom of the garden.

...and other surprising inanimate objects..............commoner....shocked at the mere thought of such things:o

....Sorry for going off topic AGAIN.......

[Brett_Henderson]

The fact that this thread went nine pages before it dipped into "lockable" fodder speaks for the caliber (no pun intended) of the folks here.

It was a pretty open-minded exhange of opinions and information... with just tad of sarcastic point-making.

When you wonder into the emotional arena.. ANY topic can get controversial and confrontational and even spiteful. If you feel yourself getting worked up while you're posting.. stop.

[Brett_Henderson]

"Laughing out loud"

[rootbeer]

Have you ever heard about the cons who sometimes try using the milker at the prison dairy barn for the same purpose? It almost always requires emergency surgery...

[Scorpiоn]

Solution...?
(a) Find a good Woman..
(b) Find a knot hole in a tree at the bottom of the garden.

...sorted... ...!

Paul... ...!

Yowsa Fozzer! Me thinks a more appropriate solution would be an ice bath!

PS: Unless of course you have a tree indoors!