Transceivers

[evanatorx]

I'm not a pilot yet (tender age of 17) but I have a transceiver so I can listen to CYHM traffic, I live within 3 KM.

I am actualy flying...in a plane...a ahem...REAL plane for the first time...other than the novelty helicopter ride.

This Christmas break I am flying to France to spend ten days in Europe. I can't wait to fly for the first time. :O I wonder what plane I will be in? Maybee an a340...maybee even a 747!

ANYWAYS!

I sent out an email to the F.A.A. asking about the use of a transceiver on a commercial flight, all I got back was one of those generic 'applies  to everything' emails.

I was wondering in anyone could let me know if I am allowed to use a transceiver on board the flight.

Thanks

[expat]

How does "no" grab you. You are not allowed to use any form of communications device on a passenger aircraft. If you do try, you are going to get into a lot of trouble.
Also by the sound of it yours is capable of broadcasting in the aircraft band, you may find that you require a license to use it in some European countries. Germany is one and I think that France is another, but don't quote me about France.

Matt

[Ashar]

I'm not a pilot yet (tender age of 17) but I have a transceiver so I can listen to CYHM traffic, I live within 3 KM.

I am actualy flying...in a plane...a ahem...REAL plane for the first time...other than the novelty helicopter ride.

This Christmas break I am flying to France to spend ten days in Europe. I can't wait to fly for the first time. :O I wonder what plane I will be in? Maybee an a340...maybee even a 747!

ANYWAYS!

I sent out an email to the F.A.A. asking about the use of a transceiver on a commercial flight, all I got back was one of those generic 'applies  to everything' emails.

I was wondering in anyone could let me know if I am allowed to use a transceiver on board the flight.

Thanks

I'm assuming that you're going to fly from Toronto...You'll most likely (say around 99%) be flying on a 747...I just flew in from Paris a month ago and AF used a 747 with PTV which was a rarity...LOL...Either way, have fun during the flight!

About transceivers, I haven't a clue as to what their legal status is... :-/

[C]

How does "no" grab you. You are not allowed to use any form of communications device on a passenger aircraft. If you do try, you are going to get into a lot of trouble.
Also by the sound of it yours is capable of broadcasting in the aircraft band, you may find that you require a license to use it in some European countries. Germany is one and I think that France is another, but don't quote me about France.

Matt

Seconded. An obsolute NO. Do not even consider it.

[evanatorx]

What a bummer.

Oh well.

At leaset I can listen to tower once I leave the airport


As for the plane I'll be on.

Can't remember exactly which airlines. But it's a school trip, so that means the cheapest possible seats possibly possible. So that's likely not Air Canada.

What other airliners fly from CYYZ to france?

[BFMF]

Whenever I fly on a commercial airlines, I always ensure I have a pair of headphones with me because quite often, there will be a headphone jack to listen to music, and there is sometimes a channell to listen in on air traffic cotrol

[JBaymore]

evanatorx,

If you show up with that in your carry on .... I can just about assure you that you will be "stepping out of line", and having a L....O.....N....G conversation with some folks that don't have large senses of humor.

[Mobius]

Like John said, don't even try to carry it on.  If you really need it, I would (very, very carefully) pack it away, but even then, I personally wouldn't risk losing my transceiver.

[beaky]

I'd advise against turning it on aboard any commercial flight, even just to listen.

And if you must bring it in your carry-on luggage, be quite clear that you have no intention of turning it on.

I've brought a scanner (receive only) in my flight bag as a carry-on; not a peep from anyone. I'm sure the X-ray tech thought :"looks like a scanner; cabin crew will give the usual speech about electronic devices... nothing to worry about".

But: very important BUT: I did not take it out and turn it on during the flight. I really, really really wanted to, but it's not a good idea.

Just relax and look out the window; bring some charts along to track your progress, etc.

I bought a transceiver on this trip, and I'm not checking it lest it get stolen, so we'll see how I make out carrying it aboard when I fly home.  ;D

[JBaymore]

Just relax and look out the window; bring some charts along to track your progress, etc.

rottydaddy,

There was some "news" item a while back about a guy who did just that on a commercial flight......some passenger with an overactive imagination thought all the avialtion stuff was very "suspect".... and the guy had an appointment with the "men in black" at the next layover stop.

The world is nuts lately.

Good luck with the avialtion transceiver... it will be interesting to see the result.  I'm guessing a lot might have to do with the "personal attributes" of the various inspectors involved.

I've had all my luggage strewn over the floor at RJAA ...... luggage to be CHECKED...... because I was bringing back to the USA some nice high quality Japanese knives for presents.  Packed in the CHECKED luggage.  Lots of questions, every bag opened...... gone thru in detail...... pain in the butt... and then try to re-pack everything ansd still make your plane.

best,

.....................john

[Ashar]

Just relax and look out the window; bring some charts along to track your progress, etc.

rottydaddy,

There was some "news" item a while back about a guy who did just that on a commercial flight......some passenger with an overactive imagination thought all the avialtion stuff was very "suspect".... and the guy had an appointment with the "men in black" at the next layover stop.

The world is nuts lately.

Good luck with the avialtion transceiver... it will be interesting to see the result.  I'm guessing a lot might have to do with the "personal attributes" of the various inspectors involved.

I've had all my luggage strewn over the floor at RJAA ...... luggage to be CHECKED...... because I was bringing back to the USA some nice high quality Japanese knives for presents.  Packed in the CHECKED luggage.  Lots of questions, every bag opened...... gone thru in detail...... pain in the butt... and then try to re-pack everything ansd still make your plane.

best,

.....................john

Yes that is true...Aviation is becoming nuts these days...Heck I'm too scared to buy Aviation magazines...Let alone charts....

Best to play it safe...

[expat]

Whenever I fly on a commercial airlines, I always ensure I have a pair of headphones with me because quite often, there will be a headphone jack to listen to music, and there is sometimes a channell to listen in on air traffic cotrol

Now Andrew has just reminded me of something that I discovered by accident many years ago whilst sitting in the back of a Hercules from Goose Bay to Germany. You may or may not choose to believe, but I sh#t you not.

I was listening to music on a Walkman, it was not a real Walkman, just a generic type (a portable cassette tape player for our younger members )
Well, as they where prone to, it chewed a tape. After clearing the mess, I press play without a tape in. At this point I found I could listen to radio transmissions by the crew. I pointed this out to a couple of other guys and they could also hear with their sets too, though only us with the really cheap low end products could. The high end named brands did not work. This also worked on a flight in a VC10. No one has ever been able to give me a reason to this day. So if you have one lurking in your cellar or attic just gathering dust and waiting for that day when they are collectibles, give it a go. I would be interested to know what happens.

Matt

[C]

Now Andrew has just reminded me of something that I discovered by accident many years ago whilst sitting in the back of a Hercules from Goose Bay to Germany.

You have my sympathy!

[Brett_Henderson]

Now Andrew has just reminded me of something that I discovered by accident many years ago whilst sitting in the back of a Hercules from Goose Bay to Germany. You may or may not choose to believe, but I sh#t you not.

I was listening to music on a Walkman, it was not a real Walkman, just a generic type (a portable cassette tape player for our younger members )
Well, as they where prone to, it chewed a tape. After clearing the mess, I press play without a tape in. At this point I found I could listen to radio transmissions by the crew. I pointed this out to a couple of other guys and they could also hear with their sets too, though only us with the really cheap low end products could. The high end named brands did not work. This also worked on a flight in a VC10. No one has ever been able to give me a reason to this day. So if you have one lurking in your cellar or attic just gathering dust and waiting for that day when they are collectibles, give it a go. I would be interested to know what happens.

Matt

I believe you  :)  ...  Aviation broadcasts are AM, as in, "amplitude modulation".  If you are near the source with just about any type audio device, those strong signals can "induce" themselves across the audio amplifier circuitry.. especially on older stuff where there's likely more wires and less printed circuit. The wires act like coils (inductors)... you aren't so much recieving the radio transmission, as you are getting the voltage (amplitude) differential (modulation) superimposed on the audio circuitry, and consequently, through the speaker.

[expat]

Now Andrew has just reminded me of something that I discovered by accident many years ago whilst sitting in the back of a Hercules from Goose Bay to Germany. You may or may not choose to believe, but I sh#t you not.

I was listening to music on a Walkman, it was not a real Walkman, just a generic type (a portable cassette tape player for our younger members )
Well, as they where prone to, it chewed a tape. After clearing the mess, I press play without a tape in. At this point I found I could listen to radio transmissions by the crew. I pointed this out to a couple of other guys and they could also hear with their sets too, though only us with the really cheap low end products could. The high end named brands did not work. This also worked on a flight in a VC10. No one has ever been able to give me a reason to this day. So if you have one lurking in your cellar or attic just gathering dust and waiting for that day when they are collectibles, give it a go. I would be interested to know what happens.

Matt

I believe you  :)  ...  Aviation broadcasts are AM, as in, "amplitude modulation".  If you are near the source with just about any type audio device, those strong signals can "induce" themselves across the audio amplifier circuitry.. especially on older stuff where there's likely more wires and less printed circuit. The wires act like coils (inductors)... you aren't so much recieving the radio transmission, as you are getting the voltage (amplitude) differential (modulation) superimposed on the audio circuitry, and consequently, through the speaker.

Brett

Thank you for that, an answer at last.......................and some one who is a believer too

Matt