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Postby HawkerTempest5 » Thu Oct 05, 2006 1:47 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/10/03/ntyph03.xml
Should have had this capability from the start.
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby expat » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:08 pm

They saved the money from the last new aircraft in service. The Harrier GR5, nice gun pods, but remain empty to this day  :(

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Re: Gunfighter

Postby Mobius » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:21 pm

Didn't they learn anything from the F-4?  This is the exact same story. :P
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby C » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:29 pm

I seem to remember one of the BAE SYSTEMS pilots at a talk in the late 90s saying that really the gun question was irrelevant - it may be able to fire 1700 rounds per minute, but with the space in the airframe all the rounds would be exhausted in a matter of seconds...

Give the pilot a revolver. ;D
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby Hagar » Thu Oct 05, 2006 2:30 pm

I wonder how much all that cost. What a complete waste of time & taxpayers money. Still, what's new? ::)

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Re: Gunfighter

Postby beefhole » Thu Oct 05, 2006 3:54 pm

Didn't they learn anything from the F-4?  This is the exact same story. :P

Exactly.  It will never cease to amaze me the blatant errors that are repeated again... and again... and again... and again...
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby expat » Thu Oct 05, 2006 4:49 pm

Exactly.  It will never cease to amaze me the blatant errors that are repeated again... and again... and again... and again...


It is called reinventing the wheel.
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby TacitBlue » Thu Oct 05, 2006 7:24 pm

It is called reinventing the wheel.

I wonder if anyone said that when the rubber tire was invented... ;D

Glad to hear that they can now use the cannons though. Like others have said, it is clear that guns are still usefull in fighter aircraft.
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby C » Fri Oct 06, 2006 9:16 am

I wonder if anyone said that when the rubber tire was invented... ;D

Glad to hear that they can now use the cannons though. Like others have said, it is clear that guns are still usefull in fighter aircraft.



I think it's all a bit of a whinge really. Considering missile technology now compared to 30-40 years ago, with things like ASRAAM we are well equipped. I think someone may have also nb'd that we probably will never use it anyway...

For a Harrier though, no gun is inexcusable.
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby expat » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:28 am

For a Harrier though, no gun is inexcusable.


That's what "jobs for the boys" produce. There were several of the shelf options, but no, wheel and reinvention yet again
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby The Ruptured Duck » Fri Oct 06, 2006 10:27 pm

WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?

You can pack a plane full of advanced avionics and load it up with as many missiles as you want, but the gun is still the most important weapon
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby Woodlouse2002 » Sat Oct 07, 2006 4:17 am

It has to be said that the gun will still be an effective weapon intill something is invented to replace it that does the same job. :P
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Re: Gunfighter

Postby Chris_F » Sat Oct 07, 2006 8:22 pm

WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?

You can pack a plane full of advanced avionics and load it up with as many missiles as you want, but the gun is still the most important weapon

Most important?  I don't know about that.  Important yes, but not most important.  Design a plane without a gun that's able to cary all the modern ordenance and you have a useful but flawed weapons platform.  Design a plane that only has a gun and you have a big expensive target.
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