Renunciation of citizenship??

[Jeff.Guo]

No, he won't know a thing until after all the contracts are signed. The best he can do is if he does ROTC in the states, he may be told if he's a candidate in his 4th year...but thats still after he signs the enlistment papers.

And as far as it goes, if you're in your last year of high school, it would be almost necessary to attend university and establish residency in the United States. I would look into ROTC too, that way, you're almost guaranteed the officer's commission, as long as you don't F-up i a big way. They might also give you a scholarship to cover tuition or living expenses, and theres an ok stipend every month.

...if you're already in university, you're pretty limited. The only way you can get active duty line officer status in the US armed forces is if you enlist first, and get your commission through OCS...but thats quite a long shot. Oh, and if you've ever gotten a grade equivalent to anything below a 3.66 on a 4.0 scale, and your cumulative average is below a 3.9, don't even bother applying for flight school. (Like I said, its very competitive...)

[Hagar]

Further to Jeff's last reply here's a couple of useful links.

ROTC http://www.afrotc.com/
OTS http://www.wantscheck.com/PilotSlotResources/OTSPilotSlot/tabid/62/Default.aspx

[C]

...9 years, and security clearance (not easy to obtain for someone who has already voiced unwillingness to forfeit a citizenship from a foreign nation...)

its not that im unwilling its just that its a HUGE choice to make, i will do anything to reach my goal but yer its a tough decision

Well, bottom line, the USAF already have plenty of pilot candidates who are natural born US Citizens with unquestioned loyalty to their country. You are not one of them, so if you want a pilot slot, you sure as hell better have a whole lotta of something else.

And to be frank, if I was the DoD employee reviewing your case, I would not grant you the commission.

I think I'd rather prefer to see RAFLeigh credit for having the maturity to ask the moral questions of making what potentially be a life changing decisions, rather than a dismissive attitude based of the fact he has citizenship of another country by birth.

RAFLeigh, have you had any contact yet with the US authorities (presumably in Canberra)? I strongly suspect they have some USAF representation. If it's anything like the British forces abroad, they'd be a decent first point of contact, and will set the facts straight for you. As I've said before, look at what you really want from the service (maybe have a look at the different lifestyles of the USAF and RAAF - and the RAF if you wish), and make your decision from there.

[Jeff.Guo]

I think I'd rather prefer to see RAFLeigh credit for having the maturity to ask the moral questions of making what potentially be a life changing decisions, rather than a dismissive attitude based of the fact he has citizenship of another country by birth.

Which god damn planet are you from? He's seeking an commission into the UNITED STATES Air Force, and here's the sad, sad truth: the United States MAY one day go to war with which ever other country that hes from, and he sure as hell better know where his loyalties lie.

[C]

Which god damn planet are you from? He's seeking an commission into the UNITED STATES Air Force, and here's the sad, sad truth: the United States MAY one day go to war with which ever other country that hes from, and he sure as hell better know where his loyalties lie.

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He's clearly stated he is a resident, and has dual nationality of Australia. Last time I checked they were certainly a very strong ally, and part of the coalition in Iraq and the 'Stan, along with nations such as the UK and New Zealand. Highly unlikely. It's as likely as saying the USA will one day invade the UK.

PS. I'm from a real planet. Not a xenophobic one.

[olderndirt]

Jeff - I hope 'Jeff' is OK since neither one of us has a clue about the other's identity.

[Jeff.Guo]

It don't matter if hes from goddamn Kansas, unless this nation commands his complete loyalty, hes not fit to be an officer in this air force.

Here's the thing, unless his ass is parked on a air base in one of the 50 states, he IS AT WAR. It don't matter if its England or Australia or Puerto Rico, if orders come down, he follow them to the letter.

If you want to live in my country, go get a visa, no objections from me. If you want to fight for my country, I sure as hell better get a real good reason to trust you first.

[Jeff.Guo]

[quote]Jeff - I hope 'Jeff' is OK since neither one of us has a clue about the other's identity.

[Felix/FFDS]

Here's the thing, unless his ass is parked on a air base in one of the 50 states, he IS AT WAR. It don't matter if its England or Australia or Puerto Rico, if orders come down, he follow them to the letter.

If you want to live in my country, go get a visa, no objections from me. If you want to fight for my country, I sure as hell better get a real good reason to trust you first.

Jeff - before you blow off more steam, please remove the "Puerto Rico"  from your comments.  Remember, a person born in Puerto Rico IS a full fledged citizen of the US.  And the military services of the US have welcomed citizens born in PR with open arms since 1917...

Many in my family have served (and are serving) proudly in the US Armed services over the years...  (and going further back, it appears that some served in the CSA Army during your War of Northern Aggression) ...

If you're going to blow off steam, at least check your facts.

[Jeff.Guo]

Puerto Ricans may be Americans, they still answer to a different government...

...my gratitude to those who have served honorably for the United States, but if I ever set foot on that island, I would not consider myself still in the United States.

P.S. Before you take it the wrong way again, Puerto Rico has more or less the same legal status as the Philippines between the mid-30's and '46 (minus the US Citizenship). My recognition of what is "The United States" only extend to the 50 states.

If a foreign power invaded Puerto Rico, I would consider that as aggression towards the United States but if Puerto Rico ever (and I highly doubt this) took arms against the United States, I would hardly call it a civil war.

[Felix/FFDS]

Puerto Ricans may be Americans, they still answer to a different government...

Your ignorance (as in lack of knowledge of the facts) is incredible.

WHAT 'other government'

[Jeff.Guo]

The Puerto Rican government, the same one that has rejected the offer for statehood for however long.

...and as the legal status of Puerto Rico stands, they can be declared independent from the United States. They're only an US territory, calling that island an "unincorporated state" is awfully generous and probably inaccurate.

...and as far as the Military goes, even though Puerto Ricans hold equal citizenship as any other US Citizen, all US Citizenships from US territories are singled out and considered to serve on, what technically is, a "per treaty" basis. I doubt anyone actually makes the distinction, but they're soldiers for Puerto Rico on "loan" to the United States.

I don't doubt you know more about Puerto Rico than I do, and don't get me wrong, a Puerto Rican is an American...just not that piece of land (well, not until they accept statehood). But if it makes you feel any better, replace every instance of "Puerto Rico" with "Guam" in the previous posts...

[Felix/FFDS]

The Puerto Rican government, the same one that has rejected the offer for statehood for however long.

PR has NEVER been "offered"  statehood by the US government.  The various (non-binding) plebiscites that have been held over the past 40 years have always had the three "options"  - statehood, commonwealth, and independence - never a true statehood or independence binding showdown.

...and as the legal status of Puerto Rico stands, they can be declared independent from the United States.

Agreed.

They're only an US territory, calling that island an "unincorporated state" is awfully generous and probably inaccurate.

that's why I carefully enclosed my statement in quotes.  PR is nothing more, nothing less than a territory, as were Alaska, Hawai'i and Arizona (and all other states except the original 13 and Texas) before they became states.  Officially, it is a "Commonwealth" although that's a made up term.  It's a territory/colony.  My calling it an "unincorporated state"  is an oversimplification of the general (convoluted) relationship, and not meant to be a hard description.
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...and as far as the Military goes, even though Puerto Ricans hold equal citizenship as any other US Citizen, all US Citizenships from US territories are singled out and considered to serve on, what technically is, a "per treaty" basis. I doubt anyone actually makes the distinction, but they're soldiers for Puerto Rico on "loan" to the United States.
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An interesting point of view - and possibly supported with fact - One can argue that the Jones Jones Act of 1917 which granted US citizenship to all "citizens"  of PR, also made them subject to the draft (however, that would not make them PR soldiers "on loan" ... )

I don't doubt you know more about Puerto Rico than I do, and don't get me wrong, a Puerto Rican is an American...just not that piece of land (well, not until they accept statehood). But if it makes you feel any better, replace every instance of "Puerto Rico" with "Guam" in the previous posts... .

ACtually, in my previous reply, I almost suggested that a better representation would be to refer to the US protectorates in the Pacific...  so at least we're getting closer to common ground. 

[Leigh]

I'm curious to know if your enthusiasm for "Aeroplanes" came before, or after discovering the Microsoft Flight Simulator series?

Well Fozzer. Ive always wanted to become an astronaut right, but when i was in the states in 2000 My cusion had a copy of FS98 and we could fly from Melbourne to LA thats when i really started (i was only 7) and then after a bit of research i found out the easiest way (and best way) to become an Astronaut is a pilot which got me hooked even more...and now im here hehe

Thanks C for that comment....no i havent had any contact through the USAF only on that online chat thingy but i am going to speak to my careers guy tomorrow to see what he can do to help

Jeff as a part of Australia we are allys to the US, i never said that i wasn't unloyal to any country and well your security concerns are ok but we are like brother and sister and really why would anyone want to attack Australia...we barely have a navy an air force that's half decent and an army that alright but if America decides they want Aus ill follow any order given to me....or maybe ill be a spy and see how far that'll get me :S

[BigTruck]

A friendly reminder to all of our members...let's try to watch the language used here in SimV, it is intended to be a family forum, cuss words are frowned upon, let's keep it civil or Ozzy will show up with some stuff we don't want to talk about.