Choosing which firearm to buy.

[commoner]

...mmm.....thanks for that Alrot........brought a little lump to my throat and a tear to my eye............

...makes me feel even more glad that our little old UK doesn't allow guns in the way that yours and the US do.........and even though they are "available", mostly to the wrong sort of people, we are still a long way from your situation where all and sundry "tote" guns.........

...no need to apologise for those words either, that was a really great contribution IMO..........commoner

[RichieB16]

The only tipe of shooting I think would be worth looking into is marksmanship. But then I ask myself, where do you perform that hobby? Are there special terrains in the states where they set up targets?

I can hardly imagine one can go into the woods or plains, set up a target and start shooting with live ammo... what safety-rules are there?

There are shooting ranges you can go to with targets set up at specific distances.

You can also just go out into the woods and set up a target.  On government land, it is perfectly legal to target shoot.  Most people find dirt inbankments or something to sevre as a background.  I usually find old logging yarder landings (basically big flat spots with a dirt ridge-they were made when certain areas were logged) and shoot there.  There really aren't any safety laws...other than common sense (such as, don't shoot towards the road).

[Woodlouse2002]

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[RichieB16]

Or that housing estate, playground, zoo, shopping centre etc.

Well...yeah.  It is illegal to discharge a weapon in a residential (or populated) area unless out of self defense.

[Loafing Smurf]

I read your comments and I thinking about going for a rifle of a lower caliber. And, since I'm interested in accuracy, I'm going to get a bolt action rifle.

At the moment, I'm actually interested in Richies Savage Model 93R17. (Thanks for posting a picture of the .17HRM, I was curious to know what the bullet looked like.)

Boling down my interest, my first rifle should have

-Accuracy
-Good up to 100 yards
-Cheap Ammo (to maximize practice and range time)

If I get better, and want to shoot at a further distance. I might get the Remington 700. But that thought is for later.

I'm still interested in a hand gun. Theres a combat range that you run through, and you shoot at targets that pop out of nowhere.

So, I'm kind of interested in action type pistol. Which is why I was interested in the SIG-226. I'm probably going to get the cheaper variant for $350.


But for collection reasons. I just might try to pick up an German Mauser K-98 for $400.

Link
http://www.marstar.ca/WWII-K98.htm

Thats for the advice.

[Fozzer]

Well...yeah.  It is illegal to discharge a weapon in a residential (or populated) area unless out of self defense.

Such as...
..your next-door neighbour has just collided with the wing mirror on your parked motor car...
.. your next-door neighbour's dog keeps barking...
... your next-door neighbour looks at you strangely...
.... you have always hated your next-door neighbour anyway...

..Time to blow him/her/them away with your brand new AK 47 rifle on special offer from Wallmart...

It's written into the American Constitution...trust me......!

Paul....LOL......!

My most dangerous weapon is my push Lawn-mower... ...!

[Woodlouse2002]

I read your comments and I thinking about going for a rifle of a lower caliber. And, since I'm interested in accuracy, I'm going to get a bolt action rifle.

At the moment, I'm actually interested in Richies Savage Model 93R17. (Thanks for posting a picture of the .17HRM, I was curious to know what the bullet looked like.)

Boling down my interest, my first rifle should have

-Accuracy
-Good up to 100 yards
-Cheap Ammo (to maximize practice and range time)

If I get better, and want to shoot at a further distance. I might get the Remington 700. But that thought is for later.

But for collection reasons. I just might try to pick up an German Mauser K-98 for $400.

Link
http://www.marstar.ca/WWII-K98.htm

Thats for the advice.

If you only want accuracy up to 100 yards then that .17 bolt action of Richies should be just the ticket. For any distances over 100 yards you really need a bigger bullet (.30 for example), or to put it another way, something very much like that Mauser you're considering as well.

[RichieB16]

If you only want accuracy up to 100 yards then that .17 bolt action of Richies should be just the ticket. For any distances over 100 yards you really need a bigger bullet (.30 for example), or to put it another way, something very much like that Mauser you're considering as well.

I have been told that those .17HMRs are pretty good inside 200 yards but I have never tried shooting that distance.  Like I said, I have mine sited in at 100 yards and I'm shooting 1 inch groups-which I am very happy with.  I would deffinately recommend it.  I personally love the stainless barrell Savages but they make them with a blued barrell as well which is a little less expensive.  Plus, when you hold one it doesn't feel like a really cheap rifle like a 10/.22, it feels like a good quality rifle (especially for the cost).

Here is the site: http://www.savagearms.com/93r17f.htm.

It says the basic one's suggest retail price is $213.  The one I have is the stainless steel barrell which the site lists at $261.  Plus, I would throw a cheap scope on it (probably $50).  They are a great rifle.

[Brett_Henderson]

Firearm crime has gone down in every single state that has enacted concealed carry laws. I'm not sure how many states have passed them.. but it's close to half.. and growing quickly. Even the irrational gun-grabbers have given up trying to debate the facts and the laws pass with little fanfare.

In Ohio (where I am now), you can carry a handgun, concealed, just about anywhere you go. Common sense exceptions are; banks, schools, establishments that serve alcohol. I'm not a full-time resident here, else I'd take the safety course and get the permit.


[quote]I've kept out of this until now but I can't imagine any possible legal reason for an ordinary private citizen owning one of these things. They have one purpose & that is to kill human beings as efficiently as possible.

[Hagar]

[quote]Tricky, emotional question about guns designed specifically to kill people;

[Brett_Henderson]

An ordinary citizen probably wouldn't want or need a weapon like that.

It's an asthetic, emotional thing to some. As imposing as that weapon "looks".. It's just a gun. It's not a bazooka or laser-blaster. It has one barrel.. one trigger and makes little pieces of metal go really fast.

If a person DID feel a need for weapon like that, there are plenty, readily available. Semi-auto / fully-auto firearms are common and easy to obtain.

As far as a person using that weapon for evil purposes ?

[Scorpiоn]

It is indeed a aesthetically attractive gun, but there's really no need for a fully automatic.  A semi-automatic, civilian use version should really suffice for any needs.

[Hagar]

A semi-automatic, civilian use version should really suffice for any needs.

The mind boggles.

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote]It is indeed a aesthetically attractive gun, but there's really no need for a fully automatic.

[Scorpiоn]

What I meant was a gun that looks exactly like it, not any firing speed, power etc.  Honestly I prefer something with less penetration power - therefore allowing you to shoot at things in front of a smaller dirt mount.