*WARNING* This will piss you off

[Redwing]

Tell ya what.....the criminal actions of that punk have been publicly recorded on the internet for all to see. If that jerk doesn't already have a police record, he could be starting one.

I wonder if anybody knows the locality of those events.....they could email that link to the authorities for their viewing. I'm sure they could find out the identity of that antisocial a**hole and pay him a visit!

[RIC_BARKER]

Well...

What amazes me is that all those people just stood there while that guy hit him over the head with the skateboard.

Kicking a guy when he's down is just not on. He's down, you won, there really is NO NEED! Getting kicked while on the ground is when the serious injuries happen.

If I had of been there and seen that, I would have jumped on him pronto, while someone calls the cops!

Alas, we can all rest safe in the knowledge that someday he'll try that on someone who will put up a fight, and he'll get royally reamed for all to see...

Ric B.

[Hagar]

If I had of been there and seen that, I would have jumped on him pronto, while someone calls the cops!

I would probably have done the same. Unfortunately, in our country anyway, we would

[RIC_BARKER]

Yep Hagar, I know what you mean.

I've been threatened with assault charges twice before now, once stepping in to a situation like the one mentioned here, and another while trying to hold down a car theif.

The Police when they arrest you are sympathetic however (one officer even admitted to wanting to do the same) and thankfully it never got to me being taken to the station!

IMHO being worried about getting sued etc is not an excuse not to do anything when you can obviously see someone, for example, beating up a defenceless individual. I'd rather do jail time because some sub-human scum didn't like me downing him, than let them get off scott-free, and regret not stepping in and stopping them.

Seems to me the problem lies with the judges and magistrates. The World has unfortunately become a super-litigious place. What ever happened to good old-common-sence hmm?

Ric B.

[Craig.]

not really the judges, its those cheap ass lawyers looking for a quick buck. "did you sneeze on the train? well we can help, our studys show that the level of dust is just too much on our trains and you can sue, because it affected you"

And Hagar Its because of that, that at the co-op we wernt allowed to stop people who were runnning out with stuff they hadnt paid for. Didnt matter if it was a

[IanR]

Here in the UK we are all really getting pissed of with the sentences handed down by the judiciary - some are so lenient that the prosecuting authorities are getting sentences INCREASED on appeal.  The judges heads are so far up their arses that they cannot see the light of day.

A teenager walked into a Police station in the east end of Glasgow, put 2 shells into a sawn-off and emptied both barrels at the desk officer.  The officer survived but will never work again and has 200 pellets still in his body some of which will never be safely removed.

This bastard got 10 years and will be out in 5 !!  Please God let the Fiscal appeal for a sensible sentence here.

My son-in-law is a Police officer and I demand that he and all Police are protected as far as possible by correct sentencing for such atrocities.

Regards

IanR

[RIC_BARKER]

Ian R, I agree.

Hopefully it won't be too long before all UK officers are armed with handguns.

My brother is in Manchester police's armed response unit, and he says he feels much better knowing he has an MP5 and a Glock 19 at his disposal should the need arise, especially with the organised criminal gangs in Manchester now being hauled in with AK-47's (with armour piercing rounds), Glocks, Uzis and all manner of other serious hardware.

He tells me that there are plans for the Police to order 17,000 Glock 19's, so it looks like an armed National force isn't too far away.

I'm also joining the Police after the New Year. Scum be warned - we're taking back the streets!

[IanR]

ric_barker

I am not sure about arming the Police - however I am sorry to say that it will no doubt become necessary, sooner that later. Thomas Hamilton who murdered the 16 kids and their teacher in Dunblane used handguns that were on a certificate authorised by the Police and yet the Police themselves have a hell of a job to get access to firearms when needed - would not have helped in Dunblane, however, as that murdering bastard coward shot his own brains out !!!

Good luck with your training !

Regards

IanR

[RIC_BARKER]

Ian,

I agree it's a sorry state of affairs when the police have to arm themselves with a lethal weapon, but it's just too dangerous otherwise.

Banning handguns is not the answer. Many guns are band here, but gun crime has risen every year for about 30 years. Those who know will always be able to get one on the black market.

We need much more severe sentences for anyone who is found in posession of a gun, be it real, a conversion or just a fake. Currently it's at 12 years here, but we all know you only serve 6. It should be more like 20. Why have a gun in England of all places, unless you are prepared to shoot someone with it? (except if you need it for your job, vet for example)

It's all about the attitude of the thugs on the street. Canada has more guns per capita than the USA, but less than 1/10th of the gun crime. As the Americans would say...Go figure!

Ric B.

[Hagar]

I am not sure about arming the Police - however I am sorry to say that it will no doubt become necessary, sooner that later.

As you point out it's probably inevitable. Personally I don't think it solves anything but what do I know? I do know that I won't feel any safer, quite the reverse in fact. Having been brought up in a different generation with different values I never thought I would would see the day. Thinking about this has pissed me off even more.

[RIC_BARKER]

Hagar,

Why would you feel less safe if the police were armed? After all the criminals are.

(I'm not trying to argue with you Hagar, I'm just interested to know!  :) )

Ric B.

[Hagar]

Ric. I don't want to get involved in a lenthy discussion. You & your brother obviously believe it's necessary & maybe it is in the area you're talking about. Take the subject of this topic. I can't watch the vid but from what I understand some young thug attacked someone else with a skateboard. Are you saying that being armed you would use a gun in this situation?

The way I see it, if someone fires a gun somebody is likely to get hit. This might be the person the gun is aimed at or an innocent passer by. Consequently I might be the one to get hit, whether the gun is fired by a criminal or a police officer. I don't like guns, never did never will. It seems we're in a Catch 22 situation here. More & more criminals are armed so we arm the police to combat them. Any criminals that were previously unarmed now arm themselves & so it goes on. Do you see what I'm getting at?

[RIC_BARKER]

Hagar,

No, I don't think using a gun in the situation above would be appropriate.

In regards to your other comment, yes I too hate guns, and your catch 22 comment fits perfecty (good book BTW!).

I simply see no alternative to combat violent crime in our inner cities. If we do nothing about this situation, more and more innocent people will be terrorised by thugs with guns, and more and more "defenceless" police officers will get shot in the line of duty.

Ric B.

[Hagar]

I'm sure there must be another way. I have no idea what but I'm not a politician, criminologist or a high ranking police officer. I think IanR hit the spot. When a criminal is caught, make sure the charge sticks & see that an appropriate sentence is passed & carried out. This involves the judiciary backing up the police force which from what I read they don't appear to be doing. It seems to me that too many criminals are laughing at the law these days.

[IanR]

Hagar

I know that the Police and the prosecuting agents (in Scotland - the Procurator Fiscal and in England the Department of Public Prosecution) are really 'pissed off' of with some of these old farts of judges and Sheriffs who pass meaningless sentences and undo all the hard work bringing the scum to court.

Regards

IanR