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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Wing Nut » Thu Dec 04, 2003 8:53 am

It has also been theorized that while it may not ever be possible to go back, travel to the future is possible.  We have all heard of the example of a space traveler approaching the speed of light.  Well, the speed of light could be harnessed that way for time travel.  There may be other ways as well, but I don't know of any.

I joked about going through a wormhole, but that theory is not as far-fetched as one might think.  Wormholes are basically a tunnel through the fabric of space.  It is easily as possible that they move through the fabric of time as well.
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Hagar » Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:05 am

That's all very well but where does one find one of these wormholes? If you ever did find one how would you get close enough to it in order go through it? I have plenty of wormholes in my front & back lawns but they would be a bit of a tight squeeze. :P

Sorry Pippin old chap but I couldn't resist that.
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Wing Nut » Thu Dec 04, 2003 9:13 am

Wormholes -R- Us is having a sale this weekend.  I thought I might pop down and pick some up... :)
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Professor Brensec » Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:39 pm

Pippin, as far as the Traveller exceeding "C":

As it takes light time to travel distances, as it does everything else, yes, the traveller would be able to look back at say.....the Earth (where he'd come from) and see it prior to his leaving.
E.G. If he was travelling at C x 2, for 1 year, he could look back and see the Earth as it was 1 year ago.

But that's not time travel. Things would still be happening in real time, back on Earth, and when he turned around and came back, he would simply be passing all the light particles that he had essentially overtaken, and all would be as it should be (i.e. 2 years later, on his arrival - 1 year each way).

If the Sun exploded now, we wouldn't know about it for around 8 and half minutes, but it would still be happening now.  ;D ;) (You may well know this already, but some may not ;))
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Wing Nut » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:07 pm

What I'm talking about is that the closer you get to the speed of light it slows down.  I must have been too vague.  Since it does slow down (it has been proven with atomic clocks) then the speed of light could be used as a one way time machine.  The usual example is that if a person left Earth for Alpha Centauri travelling close to, but just below, the speed of light then while a 4 year trip occured for him, 100,000 years would pass here on Earth.  My numbers may be incorrect, but you get the idea.
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Professor Brensec » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:13 pm

I see. I must admit, I'm not familiar with that theory. I must have a look and see if I can find something on it.'

As you say, it would be a 'one way' method, I assume the same would obviously happen in reverse, on the way back, as in the theory I was 'debunking??  ;D ;)
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Fozzer » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:16 pm

...as usual...
I'm with Hagar on this one.... ;D...!
Time travel malarky just gives me a headache.... :'(...!
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Pippin....you are watching way too many Star Trek movies, and they are modifying your normal common sense.... ;)...!
...Time travel....housing estates on the Moon, etc....whatever next...?
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Professor Brensec » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:20 pm

My biggest 'paradoxical' problem with time travel is this:

By all 'theoretical accounts' you can go back in time and meet yourself, or at least be on the planet at the same time (exist simultaneously in one time).

So, if you were to travel back to the same time, say 5 times, would there be 6 of you present in the one timeframe???     ;D ;)

Then we arrive at the old "If I went back intime from 2003 and  I killed myself in 1968, I would still be alive in 1968(at least the one of me that travelled back and did the killing), so would I be dead in 1990, if I jumped to there afterwards or would I just 'spring back to life in 2003, when (and if) I returned??  ;D ;)

Now I'm dizzy!  :D ;)
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Wing Nut » Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:31 pm

What if you killed yourself in 1968 and didn't return took the future, but to your 1968 self's place?
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Wing Nut » Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:10 pm

BTW, if you're interested, I found the original short story on-line.  I haven't read it for years.  It seems a little adolescent now, but in junior high school it blew my mind...  :D

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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Katahu » Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:43 pm

Alternate dimensions do exist IMHO.

However, the problem is how to get to one of them.

In a Popular Science magazine [or Discovery Magazine], there was an article on how Alternate Dimenstions or Parallel Universes exist.

It is possible that each parallel universe in the entire multiverse is so far apart that even if you do travel at the speed of light or faster, it might take you centuries to even reach your closest Alter Ego [other self].

Remember, our parallel universe contains more stars than all the gains of sand on Earth. Not only that, each star is about thousands and millions of light years apart from each other.

Not only that, the distance between the boundaries of two parallel universes can possibly be up to billions, trillions, or even quadrillions of light years apart.

So, do the math. ;D

Like you said, anything you do or didn't do can effect the infinite worlds that parallels your world.

For example:

Let's say you were driving a Farrari in the middle of the night at high speeds. All of a sudden, you run a red light and another car hits you and you die.

Then, almost half [possible more] of your Alter Egos would probably do the same thing you did while the other would probably be acting more carefull when they drive at that same moment.

Or, some or a few might not drive at all while the remainder may drive at a later or earlier time.

As you are reading this post I have just made, my alter egos are probably doing the same thing but with some minor differences in the posts.

Just before I posted this message, I had to check my text before I posted it. I found out that I had to add a few more paragraphs or words to this post.

While I was tyoing this post, my alter ego was probably not careful on what he types on his post. ;)
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Professor Brensec » Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:06 am

Katahu,

My understanding of Einsteins's theory of 'alternate realities' doesn't mention distance at all. When dealing with 'time' or subspace or alternate realities, he says we have to completely abandon our natural understanding of 'dimensions' as we know and see them (Length, breadth and width). They are the only three we know of for sure and can comprehend, because we can see and measure them and we can move within them.  ;)

He says that 'alternate realities' (if they exist) would exist on a different 'plane' so distance (as we concieve it) would not be a fundamental component. They would be essentially separated by 'barriers' of 'subspace' or a 'continuum border'. No speed whatsoever, would get you from one to the other.

So it is reported. It's been a long time since I read it, and I didn't get a 10th of what he was saying, but that was the gist of what I understood.

P.S. Our closest Star (Alpha Centauri) is 'only' 4.2 light years away. The stars a much closer together (in general) than "thousands and millions of light years"

At the average Star Trek (TNG) 'cruising speed' of Warp 6, it would take just under four days to reach Alpha Centauri from earth (392 x C).  ;D ;)
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Loafing Smurf » Fri Dec 05, 2003 12:29 am

I once saw a Morlock chase an Eloi across a field...then it looked at me so I came back.

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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Polynomial » Fri Dec 05, 2003 2:29 am

there is no possible way i could believe in parallel universes and the like.  There is only one of me and there will only ever be one of me.

*People who think up these ideas are completely whacked*

As Brensec said, time is linear and moves in a foward manner, and you can't go backwards.  ;)

WRT the speed of light, yes time does slow down towards the speed of light, but that still means time is going foward.  ;)

And then you have the added complication of accelerating a human to the speed of light (i.e. what they would travel in, how you would supply the enormous amount of energy required to get them to that speed).  Also there has been no research into the effect of moving at the speed of light on the human body.

As you can see it is rather complex and rather messy and not very well understood.
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Re: Time Travel...

Postby Katahu » Fri Dec 05, 2003 11:33 am

I understand that there are not that many people who believe in parallel universes or time traveling.

Most of you have only been using a small formula for this matter.

In the many articles that I read about this, many researchers have used formulas that are complicated as the SAT exams. :P ???

They would thing of something like:

E=D^2[X/3+5]+M*A......blah blah blah. I have seen these kinds of formulas and they have confused me.

The only formulas I know are:

D=R*T [Distance is equal to the Rate multiplied by Time]

F=M*A [The force is proportional to the Mass multiplied by the Acceleration]

E=MC^2 [The Energy is Equal to the Mass multiplied by the "C" squared] I don't know what the "C" stands for.

A^2+B^2=C^2 [The pathageream theorim. By Pathagerus]

A=L*H*1/2 [The area of a triangle]

These formulas, came straight from the top of my head.
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