No peformance increase?

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No peformance increase?

Postby michaelb15 » Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:10 am

I just replaced my old geforce 5700 with a nice new geforce 8600, and I did not experience any added peformance in fs x. All my other games run awsome now with the new card, (Stalker, Crysis, Supreme Commander-Forged Allience) but I didnt see any changes overall in fsx.. Since ive even reformatted my computer, and reinstalled everything, and im still sitting here with 8-12 fps in fsx no matter what I try..

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Geforce 8600 gt PCI-e 4x (16x capable card, but mobo only 4x)
Pentium D 820,( 2.8ghz)
mobo- ASrock 4CoreDual VSTA
2 gb DDR2-667 SD ram (333mhz)
Win xp SP3.. doesn't matter if direct x 9c, or 10.

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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby mjrhealth » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:08 am

Bottlenecks are 4X pci express, 667mhz ram . Cpu probably ok. Order of preference or bottlenecks for FSX are.

Fastest CPU you can get 3 ghz or faster, Dual core prefered
Ram 2 Gig 800MHz or faster, Cas 4 if possible. 4 gig if using Vista.
Video, 9800GT, 9600, 8800 preferred 512 Meg ram PCIX 12 X

The first 2 will show most improvement in FPS video card seems to make flights smoother,
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby FlightSimX » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:08 am

That's most likely because FSX is extremely CPU bound, i.e. it favours a high performance CPU over a high performance GPU. Sure, you want the best GPU you can get, but it also needs to be "backed up" by the fastest CPU you can get your hands on.

The other programs you have, where you're seeing big improvements, are like most games, i.e. big GPU's are gonna give you better performance. FSX is different, unfortunately!

Not that your CPU is a slouch, but if you haven't changed it, you won't see much difference.
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby michaelb15 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:58 am

hmm.. lol i can understand why 4x pci-e can be a bottleneck.. but 2.8ghz dualcore? Ive used the tweak in fsx.cfg for the utilization of both cores, and they seem to be running

oh well guess its not for me atm

go back to fs9.. at least there I get a steady 50 fps at max settings..
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby Slotback » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:04 am

You have a reasonably slow CPU, paired with a relatively fast videocard. Many more mainstream games benefit hugely from this setup, but fsx, is largely CPU & Video Memory bandwidth limited - so even if you had the best videocard in the world it still wouldn't run fsx well unless you have a faster CPU. That setup should run fsx relatively well, but, if you want fantastic fsx performance I would honestly get a new computer, or wait till the end of the year for Nehalem... or go back to fs9.

I cannot really give you hardware advice since I am out of the loop at the moment - got new computer a few months ago and with the advent of Geforce 200 series / Radeon 4xxx series I have no idea what is the best hardware.
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby michaelb15 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:57 am

i kno its been over a year since ive got the CPU, but i thought it was a fairly diecient one.. lol dualcore 2.8ghz, it replaced my single core 2.5ghz @2.8.. lol.. doubled it up..

what is todays tech at for CPU's? my mobo is capable of supporting a quadcore, and I may invest 150-200$ into the comp.. but whats out there? lol definatly dont want to "upgrade" into obsolete technology..

but yea i think im gonna retreat to fs9 until I get atleast a better mobo.. I think the PCI-e is also a major slowdown..

but I dont have the $$ to buy a new full computer just maybe 1-2 components.. maybe a power supply..
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby rikm12345 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:05 pm

The pci running at 4x doesn't help, but upgrading that mobo to x16 isn't going to give you very much improvememnt.

Getting a Quadcore CPU will.

I'm affraid your computer is in a trap, i.e. one thing affects the other.

If you do get a Quad core, then your proabably wanting to get a decent motherboard, also at least 800mhz ram, and possibly eventually going to 8800 or 9800 for the Graphics card. Im not sure how much a difference going from 8600 to 8800 will give. I do know that the graphics cards dont give a big difference with FSX as they do with other games.

There are so many people who upgrade just their Graphics card for fsx with not much difference in FPS.
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby michaelb15 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:42 pm

The pci running at 4x doesn't help, but upgrading that mobo to x16 isn't going to give you very much improvememnt.

Getting a Quadcore CPU will.

I'm affraid your computer is in a trap, i.e. one thing affects the other.

If you do get a Quad core, then your proabably wanting to get a decent motherboard, also at least 800mhz ram, and possibly eventually going to 8800 or 9800 for the Graphics card. Im not sure how much a difference going from 8600 to 8800 will give. I do know that the graphics cards dont give a big difference with FSX as they do with other games.

There are so many people who upgrade just their Graphics card for fsx with not much difference in FPS.


ok well i'll be on the search for a nice quadcore somtime in the near future.. and prolly a mobo..

I bought the mobo because it was very compatable for the time, I could still use my old DDR-266 ram I had at the time, and it had a AGP slot for the 5700 that I had..

a year after getting the mobo, I finally got ddr2, and a 8600..

The videocard is definaly staying for a while... Just got it a few months ago, and already half fried it, and my SATA hdd.. from trying to increase the bus speed..(lol it runs glitchy somtimes, but doesnt affect overall peformance)

also how can I get FSX to utilize the full processor? ive found that it only uses maybe 70-80% of its true power..  ::)

but im sure i can get more out of the current system then 8-10 fps.. ive tried adjusting ingame settings, and the actual driver settings, and using Nhancer, and it all leads to the same 8-10 fps..

while over in FS9, I can run full settings, 16x antrostropic, 16x anti-alising and still maintain 40-50fps. grr I used to like computers.. but lately they've been getting confusing
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby rikm12345 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:40 pm

If upgrading soon, then at least a Q6600, If your going to upgrade in the future, i would wait till end of year for the new Intel processors that are coming out.

Are you running SP2 or acceleration?

Might be worth adding the AffinityMaskto your fsx.cfg

Try the 174.74 nvidia driver.
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby michaelb15 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:54 pm

If upgrading soon, then at least a Q6600, If your going to upgrade in the future, i would wait till end of year for the new Intel processors that are coming out.

Are you running SP2 or acceleration?

Might be worth adding the AffinityMaskto your fsx.cfg

Try the 174.74 nvidia driver.



hmm it seems ive got the 175.16 drivers.. might try to roll back :p

ive already tried the many random fsx.cfg tweaks, got very little out of anything, but it doesnt stutter as bad i dont think.. i dont kno its hard to tell..

im using sp1, as for what ever the reason, sp2 doesnt want to work.. always get critical errors with it.. was going to uninstall the hole sim, but uninstalled the sp, tried the game and it worked..

i'll take a run down to the local computer shop and see their prices, but i may wait.. seems to be the best idea with computer hardware  ;D
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby rikm12345 » Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:01 pm

175 drivers may be ok, its just that 174.74 seems to be the most stable from different forums.

Might be worth a totall reinstall to get SP2 on as it does give some performance increases & less need for tweaks. Blurries are less with sp2.

Would be nice if fsx could run perfect straight out of the box without additional hardware changes. I have just upgraded my old pc, infact it ended up a new pc. lol
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Re: No peformance increase?

Postby michaelb15 » Sat Jul 12, 2008 4:02 am

well... ive figured out why its slow.. belive it or not it is the power supply unit.. I only have a 450w PSU.... when I should have at least a 600w model..

I came to this conclusion after taking out/disabling a bunch of unused hardware, such as the floppy drive, and a dialup modem, disabled the parelell port, onboard lan, and a few other things in the BIOS, and im already getting a 4-5fps boost..  :D
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