Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby Dr.bob7 » Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:16 pm

try a ILS in a C172 or a lear start small
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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby evanatorx » Mon Apr 28, 2008 11:00 pm

Flippin' bleedin' Norah...!

That screen shot took 3 weeks to download even on high speed broadband!!

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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby BAW0343 » Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:37 am

There's no way to get a simple guide to ILS approach. Its a complicated process.

Any of us are able and willing to make it as simple a possible but you do, however, need to follow the rules. One of them being is loading the image onto the SimV server. Heres the link: http://www.simviation.com/yabbupload.html Once its there edit the above post and replace the image with the new one here on SimV.

Anyway, the reason we are telling you to try a smaller aircraft is because they are simpler to fly and manage. In a 747 its a touchy airframe when it comes to landing, theres dozens of systems you need to keep tabs on to fly correctly. If you are messing with the ILS you can quickly lose track of the most basic principals and end up being a crater in the ground before you land. A small plane is very quick to fix an error. If you lose tabs on your speed while changing your frequency for the landing you can easily stall. If that does happen a C172 can be recovered with minimal elevation loss which is important when landing. Should the exact same thing happen in a 747 its going to take a few thousand feet to recover which will land you in the ground. Also if your just going to fast with 5000+ ft of runway a c-172 could stop, start and stop again no problem. However a 747 could quickly run out of room and you'll find yourself among water, or trees. With large passenger jets theres so much to keep track of while landing it can be a daunting task for a new pilot. That is why you learn in a small plane. That and with a 172 the wheels are fixed so you don't have to mess with that pesky gear lever.  ;)

If you want to ignore the help we gave that you asked for, thats fine. If you just want to putter around the skies and not learn things, thats up to you but I don't think you would have posted if that was the case. Anyone can fly the 747 in FS, its how it was designed, but thats no fun. The real accomplishment is when you've learned all the procedures and can fly that thing like it was your job.

Also, one final note, learn to to everything by hand, then use the AP. The autopilot wont always work, so you need to be able to know what to do manually.

If your actually interested in learning, re-upload that pic and were in business, its like our terms of use. Some places you have to pay. Here all you have to do is follow a few rules and I'm sure you'll love it.

Just watch out for the marmalade  :-X
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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby TSC. » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:46 am

[quote]Anyway, the reason we are telling you to try a smaller aircraft is because they are simpler to fly and manage. In a 747 its a touchy airframe when it comes to landing, theres dozens of systems you need to keep tabs on to fly correctly. If you are messing with the ILS you can quickly lose track of the most basic principals and end up being a crater in the ground before you land. A small plane is very quick to fix an error. If you lose tabs on your speed while changing your frequency for the landing you can easily stall. If that does happen a C172 can be recovered with minimal elevation loss which is important when landing. Should the exact same thing happen in a 747 its going to take a few thousand feet to recover which will land you in the ground. Also if your just going to fast with 5000+ ft of runway a c-172 could stop, start and stop again no problem. However a 747 could quickly run out of room and you'll find yourself among water, or trees. With large passenger jets theres so much to keep track of while landing it can be a daunting task for a new pilot. That is why you learn in a small plane. That and with a 172 the wheels are fixed so you don't have to mess with that pesky gear lever.
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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby Fozzer » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:05 am

In the "Olden Days", Flight Simulators were supplied with a big, fat Instruction Manuals, which covered all aspects of Aircraft Management, Flight, General Navigation, Radio Navigation, etc, in great, easy to understand detail...together with training flights using Nav Charts..!.:)...!

With my Fly!, Pro Pilot, Pro Pilot 2, FS '98, FS 2000, and FS 2002 Manuals, studied carefully from cover to cover, I was ably to perfect all my flights on the Default Aircraft without having to resort to asking questions in the various Forums...

Unfortunately...

These beautiful, well written and illustrated, highly educational, Manuals are no longer supplied with the Flight Simulators...
They were discontinued with the introduction of FS 2004 onwards.
..which is a great shame, as it made the Simulators so much more interesting...and probably why there were much fewer questions asked, and happier Pilots in the "Olden Days"....;)...!

I still have all my old Manuals, and study them regularly, to keep up-to-date with my flying skills... :-*...!

.... ;D....!

Paul...G-BPLF...FS 2004/FSX...(mainly FS 2004!...;)...)... 8-)...!
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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby Draco3 » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:56 am

Thanks for the advice so far all.
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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby Slotback » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:09 am

Glad to be of help. :P But one more thing, if you're flying with both the visual flightpath and ILS, it's a good idea to compare the visual path relative to what the ILS instruments show, so you can get an idea of where you are. And you can try turning the autopilot off but retain the flight director which should tell you how to fly like the autopilot would (only manually).

Also, read the breifing for Lesson 3: Full ILS approach, in the Airline Transport Pilot lesson section of the 'learning centre'.
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Re: Okay my head is about to explode (yes it's ILS)

Postby Draco3 » Tue Apr 29, 2008 6:06 pm

Will do Vodka Burner.  Tried your steps again last night at a different airport for an ILS runway and worked perfectly the first time.  
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