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Re: Pushback

Postby Rocket_Bird » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:56 pm


It's rather the airports that don't allow it.
Powerbacking is not a hazard for aircrafts with aft mounted engines (DC9, MD80's etc).


Yes for some aircraft you can.  However, the thing about power backing is injesting FOD, sand, and dust.
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Re: Pushback

Postby beefhole » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:57 pm

There have been a couple very unfortunate accidents that have resulted from aircraft using reverse thrust in icy conditions, so in general, let the tug do its job. In ym experience, in fs9 at least, reverse thrust doesn't actually give you enough power to push the plane back on your own. But that's just what I've found.

And it's a racket too :-/.
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Re: Pushback

Postby Nexus » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:02 pm

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Yes for some aircraft you can.
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Re: Pushback

Postby Rocket_Bird » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:05 pm

Though I must admit, I used to do it with the 737 in Flight Simulator 95  ;D
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Re: Pushback

Postby dave3cu » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:11 pm

You sure that you don't have some add-on that gave you that complex function forthe pushback?


Nope, nope!
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Re: Pushback

Postby Saratoga » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:11 pm

Dunno where you got that Nexus. Many airlines allow it, wingmounted only in icy conditions due to the fact ice can be ingested with little problems due to the heat. American, Delta, Southwest, United, and jetBlue all allow it I know for a fact and I am sure there are many more. Pretty much all airlines allow powerbacking with tail mounted engines, with the exception of very heavily contaminated (dust, dirt, etc) airports. And every airline I know of allows the DC-10, L1011, and 727 to use their center engine to reverse.

For some reason, FS doesn't put out enough power to back up in their airliners. No clue why they never fixed it either. ::)
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Re: Pushback

Postby Nexus » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:36 pm

Maybe "not allowed" isn't the right phrase; not recommended is a more proper sentence for it.

For the 737 it is not recommended, due to the facts already pointed out by rocket bird. However in the 777 it's flat out prohibited  :)
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Re: Pushback

Postby Saratoga » Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:51 pm

Yes and I do believe we can all imagine why. Violent violent violent. Yes it is not exactly heavily supported by the airline industry, but it's perfectly fine to do when absolutely necessary. The big problem with the 737 is it's engines are just so close to the ground. Even other wing twinjets, A-320 for example, the engines are so far up off the ground, most things drop back down prior to being injested, but the 737s engines have so little clearance, it can suck pretty much anything in.
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Re: Pushback

Postby swayne01 » Tue Feb 08, 2005 5:17 am

Could someone please give me an example of which Aircraft definatly works with the pushback command?

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Re: Pushback

Postby commoner » Tue Feb 08, 2005 6:58 am

Could someone please give me an example of which Aircraft definatly works with the pushback command?

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..Hi Swayne...just had a go with the Default Learjet 45...nice slow pushback and turns using Shift+p then 1 or 2 to turn as recommended..you gotta give it time and practice some.........commoner ;)
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Re: Pushback

Postby beefhole » Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:30 pm

Could someone please give me an example of which Aircraft definatly works with the pushback command?

They all should work 100%... it has nothing to do with the aircraft, I've downloaded cars, and when you hit shift+p they back up. It works on all aircraft.

I'm sure someones already said this, but just to make sure, check your key assignments.
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Re: Pushback

Postby Clownloachlover » Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:12 pm

Didn't the NTSB find the plane that crashed in the river in Washingtonin in the 80's because of ice and junk taken into the engine from thrust reversing to back up?

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Re: Pushback

Postby Nexus » Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:28 pm

It was a factor, but the captain made a fatal mistake by not selecting thermal anti ice (engine anti ice) which resulted in snow/ice covered probes in the engines giving wrong read outs.  :-[
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Re: Pushback

Postby Papa9571 » Tue Feb 08, 2005 8:58 pm

Dave;

Thanks for the info. I tried it and you are right..you have to practice to get it right. Once I remembered that it takes 1 aircraft length from the press of 1 or 2 for the aircraft to turn I could pretty well back anwhere i wanted to go...I know....lets push it to Chicago...... ;D ;D


Dag nab it......forgot about the tolls and the tollbooths...Oh well cant think of everything  :-/
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