COD2 vs H&D2

[Woodlouse2002]

Well, I brought Call of Duty 2 so when it arrives (either tomorrow or early next week) I will finally be able to compare it properly to H&D2. Having played the demo though I feel as if I know how my conclusions are going to go. COD2 looks nice, and sounds nice. But all in all the gameplay doesn't seem to different from MOH. In that you have a mission that can only be completed in a certain order, so unless you complete one objective you cannot move onto the next. In H&D2 you have a mission, you have a map and everything after that is down to you to do how, when and as you please.

Still, that experience is entirely based on having played the full version of H&D2, but only the demo of COD2. So we shall see.

Another thing I noticed though, in COD2 the bren looks lovely. The Enfield however looks like a straw broomstick. If Illusion Softworks managed to procure examples of as many weapons as they could to base their models of, surely the COD2 developers could too?

Anyway, enough, I await the wrath of the diehard COD2 folks we have here.

[Delta_]

Well, I brought Call of Duty 2 so when it arrives (either tomorrow or early next week) I will finally be able to compare it properly to H&D2. Having played the demo though I feel as if I know how my conclusions are going to go. COD2 looks nice, and sounds nice. But all in all the gameplay doesn't seem to different from MOH. In that you have a mission that can only be completed in a certain order, so unless you complete one objective you cannot move onto the next.

Anyway, enough, I await the wrath of the diehard COD2 folks we have here.

Some missions are like that, there are many that are very open and you can go whatever route you want.

The main improvement of COD2 over COD1 was how intense it was and a lot less linear.

The game is significantly better than the demo, just because you are looking at one mission on the demo and in the game you see many varying missions.

You should come online sometime.  I play one [Mork] New maps.  Also S-Buks Rifles.  I'm called DeLtA

[Woodlouse2002]

This is why i'm reserving true judgement for untill i've played the full version.

As for online, maybe I will, maybe I won't. I'm pretty much king of H&D2 multiplayer so I don't really want to give that up just yet.

[Politically Incorrect]

CoD2 was fun online if you can find a server that isn't full of bunny jumping noobs with shotguns throwing smoke grenades, or the use of hacks.

Unfortunately for me after the latest patch I can no longer play online, it was a crap shoot at first being on dial up but I managed pretty well, that is until the patch don't know what it did but I can no longer play online without pinging out.

It is a fun game but in single player losses its use after completing it once, the scenarios are the usual and are as expected, graphics are awesome.

[Delta_]

CoD2 was fun online if you can find a server that isn't full of bunny jumping noobs with shotguns throwing smoke grenades, or the use of hacks.

You will like [Mork], they kick bunny hoppers.  Shotguns are limited to three and snipers too.  There are no smoke grenades too.  

They use custom maps which change every week too, so that makes it a level playing field between those that are newbs and those which have played a lot.  

[Politically Incorrect]

What limited snipers!?
That is what I love to do, nothing better than to hide in a bush and watch the shotgun noobs bouncing around and BAM! Noobs hate snipers becasue they are the only ones that they can't get. And with the shotguns what is with the range on them things?? They have range of a rifle not modeled well at all 20' spread at 100 yards lmao!!

I just got tired of joining a game and everyone just runs around with the trigger pressed shooting at whatever. Now they need to limit ammo and that would make for some good solid fun multiplayer

[Woodlouse2002]

H&D2 multiplayer has a lot going for it I think. Every aspect of what the player carries is player controlled right down to ammunition type and hat.

The noob tactic is an impact grenade at close range that kills them as well as you. The shotgun is usually used by reasonably skilled players as being only a double barrelled job you can't afford to miss too much.

Yesterday I played a deathmatch in a Burma map. Very fun as the only way to succeed was to creep around keeping and eye out. And even then it was amazing how close you could get to your opponent before you saw him and usually he didn't see you. The it was silenced carbine, one shot, then stand and run to a different part of the map and start the process again.

[Woodlouse2002]

Well, got it, played it, completed it etc etc.

H&D2 remains the superior game in my opinion. COD2 is just too arcadie for my taste. Plus the weapons are poorly modelled for the most part. Especially the british ones. I mean the Sten is made to look like a length of gaspipe with a handle on the side.

Still, it looks pretty for the most part. Flames are well modelled especially.

Don't really like the multiplayer much. Partly because I'm not very good at it. Mostly because tactics mostly seem to involve leaping about and shooting aimlessly in between getting shot by snipers or someone clubbing you from behind.

So PI, I suggest you try H&D2 for multiplayer. Jumping is severely limited as you can only do two or three jumps before your endurance drains and you have to rest. Plus jumps arn't very high. Just enough to leap up a medium sized step or across a trench etc. No smoke grenades and only double barreled shotguns.

Whats more ammunition is limited. You choose your own amount but it's a balance between what other things you want to carry too, such as medkits, grenades, pistols, knives etc. You can increase what you carry by taking a backpack, but then that weighs you down and you have to manually transfer the stuff between it and your webbing. Basically you can carry 12 items on your webbing. Pistols and medkits count as two each, grenades are one as is each spare mag.

My standard load out is 6 spare mags, 2 or 3 grenades a medkit and a knife. I usually count on dying before I run out of ammo.

Anyway, the long and short of it is, I think H&D2 is a better game than COD2.

[Politically Incorrect]

Mostly because tactics mostly seem to involve leaping about and shooting aimlessly in between getting shot by snipers or someone clubbing you from behind.

LMAO!! you that is what I was talking about. It would be fun if you had some guys that wanted to try and play a tactical way. That is why I think COD online would benifit greatly with limited ammo, or at least it would give you sometime to bash some skulls yourself while they reload.

I have H&D2 here somewhere never installed it so have to give it a try.

[Woodlouse2002]

I have H&D2 here somewhere never installed it so have to give it a try.

Remember to patch it. Otherwise servers are few and far between. I'll keep and eye out for you. I go under the Alias of either Saint George, San Jorge, Saint Geoff, King George the Almost and Ethelred the Unready.

Edit: H&D2 single player is pretty good too. As I said, you're given a map and your objectives then left to get on with it to complete in anyway you see fit. Basically you can be as loud or as quiet as you like and you can kill as many enemy as you like or need to or none at all if your very good at the whole sneaking around part. You can also on occasion get an enemy soldier to surrender, whereupon you can take his uniform and go undercover.

[flymo]

unfortunatly for CoD 2 all they did was pimp up the visuals and no real gameplay increase over CoD imo. i was disapointed in it, as the AI seemed to be the same as the origional, which back then was stunning, but now compared to HL2 and FEAR the AI is so....well crappy in COD2

[Politically Incorrect]

Hey Woodlouse I installed and started to patch H&D2.
Now after searching the web I found that the 1.12 patch should be all I need since it contains all the previous patches. I installed it and then couldn't run the game due to a bad cd code error or something to the effect (it was bad also it wouldn't allow me to get the cd out of the drive).

So then I looked some more and found that the 1.12 contains all patches from 1.03 on. Now my question is I have installed 1.02 and 1.03 and all seems good. Do I install the 1.12 now or should I just download the other patches upto 1.06 then install 1.12?

LOL wow now I am confused, I just don't want to install the 1.12 patch and have it give me that bad cd number error again if it won't allow me to play then I won't bother with it no more. I am now thinking this is why I have the game but never played it.

[Woodlouse2002]

There's an autopatch programme for it on the start menu. Use that and it should be ok.

[Politically Incorrect]

I tried that and it stated there were no patches.
So I then installed 1.02 and 1.03 all was going well. Only issue  I have is you need the CD in to play and upon inserting the CD it wants to install again, minor hassle but still a pain.

After 1.03 I tried the auto patcher again and it started downloading. What it was downloading I have no clue after many hours it finished and behold I can no longer play it again. Something about CD Emulator error.

Needless to say I am not that patient and have removed it, I am not going to go through the hassle of reinstalling it (did try a repair but that just installed another copy of the game) installing the patches. Seems that 1.12 is what it downloaded and upon looking at the read me mentions something about it syncing with Saber Squadron so i am to assume that this patch is meant for a expansion pack of which I don't have.

I didn't like the overall game play anyway. No easy way to change weapons quickly, ass backwards default key settings which require a good amount of time to set up, No real clear instructions on how to perform various things, such as taking off the damn aqualung in the training, dogs that can absorb 10 rounds to the head before going down. Grenades that explode before leaving your hands etc.... To many quirks for me which is why I was hoping the patches would rectify some of them. But to much time already spent and no time to see if I enjoy it.

[Woodlouse2002]

The CD wanting to install again is a pain in the arse. It does it with me too. I've never had grenades explode in my hands. I suspect you're not holding down the G key long enough to power up the throw so your simply dropping it on your feet.

The default key set up was somewhat backwards, but either the patched version, or the Sabre Squadron version introduced an alternative set up that was more like todays standard.

Dropping weapons can be done with backspace. Dropping other items though requires you to press I and to do it manually, drag and drop style.

Cycling through weapons takes time and a little practice. But it makes you choose your moment and I think the extra time it takes makes it more realistic.

I forgot to tell you about Sabre Squadron though and have never played just H&D raw out of the box as Sabre Squadron installs the first few patches.