I give up

[kipman725]

yep thats the kind of score you should be getting, you need the fastest hardware to get good fps in those tests.

did you notice any of the graphical glitches that you get in fs?

[congo]

Here is my score for comparison.





"Which is why you don't need to bother with benchmarks, they mean nothing." ....... Statements like this are absurd. Benchmarks are accurate and give excellent comparison analysis in a controlled test. They mean nothing if you don't control the test. For example, my results can't be compared to Rob's unless the same resolution, filtering and other driver settings are identical.

[Robban_Sweden]

yep thats the kind of score you should be getting, you need the fastest hardware to get good fps in those tests.

did you notice any of the graphical glitches that you get in fs?

Well, the edges of the graphics in the test were a little naggy but after installing the 82.12 driver my flickering was reduced quite a lot and I don't think I'll get them any better than that.

When it comes to the stuttering, which is the big problem, I couldn't tell if it stuttered or not because I didn't have enough framerate for a smooth picture, and when I get my stutters in the sim the framerate can be as high as 70.

[Robban_Sweden]

Here is my score for comparison.





"Which is why you don't need to bother with benchmarks, they mean nothing." ....... Statements like this are absurd. Benchmarks are accurate and give excellent comparison analysis in a controlled test. They mean nothing if you don't control the test. For example, my results can't be compared to Rob's unless the same resolution, filtering and other driver settings are identical.

Well, that's a higher score allright.

For comparison I use 4X AA and 4X AF and high quality image settings.
And the resolution is set to 1152x864x75 and that's also the resolution I run the sim in.
The card runs standard on other settings and is not overclocked in any way.
Driver version: Forceware 82.12.

[congo]

I use the default resolution for the 3Dmark test, I don't touch a thing, just click to begin the test. I think the test defaults to 1024x768x32, but you don't need to select the resolution at all, or any other parameters.

I force AA and AF off and set graphics to balanced or performance depending on the driver. Vertical sync off, monitor refresh is 85hz (CRT), all else is left alone.

I also disable all the auto crap that self installs when you load an nvidia driver, this includes the nvidia driver service/s that run in services.

In fact I disable all auto crap period, with the exception of my firewall which auto loads at startup.

For my normal settings, I use 2x or 2Qx AA and 4x AF filtering with best quality selected. This seems to overide all other setting in software, but I'm not absolutely sure about all apps.

[kipman725]

Well, the edges of the graphics in the test were a little naggy but after installing the 82.12 driver my flickering was reduced quite a lot and I don't think I'll get them any better than that.

When it comes to the stuttering, which is the big problem, I couldn't tell if it stuttered or not because I didn't have enough framerate for a smooth picture, and when I get my stutters in the sim the framerate can be as high as 70.

The jaggies are normal as the free version of 3dmark does the tests with no AA.

As for your flikering you woulden't be using a CRT monitor would you?

try 3dmark o1 to check if its jumping as that should run smoothly/

[Robban_Sweden]

I use the default resolution for the 3Dmark test, I don't touch a thing, just click to begin the test. I think the test defaults to 1024x768x32, but you don't need to select the resolution at all, or any other parameters.

I force AA and AF off and set graphics to balanced or performance depending on the driver. Vertical sync off, monitor refresh is 85hz (CRT), all else is left alone.

I also disable all the auto crap that self installs when you load an nvidia driver, this includes the nvidia driver service/s that run in services.

In fact I disable all auto crap period, with the exception of my firewall which auto loads at startup.

For my normal settings, I use 2x or 2Qx AA and 4x AF filtering with best quality selected. This seems to overide all other setting in software, but I'm not absolutely sure about all apps.

Well, in that case I didn't change anything for the test.
I just ran it and I have the graphics driver set as I mentioned above.

I did the tests using FS Autostart, I just change the application to 3DMark05 instead of MFS.

I also tried the test without using FS Autostart and then I got a score of 2714, so it didn't make that much of a differense.

In any case, isn't it kind of strange that you get a so much higher score. After all, our systems is rather similar.

Just a thought.

[Robban_Sweden]

The jaggies are normal as the free version of 3dmark does the tests with no AA./

OK, that explains it.

As for your flikering you woulden't be using a CRT monitor would you?/

No, just a "normal" 17" monitor.

try 3dmark o1 to check if its jumping as that should run smoothly/

OK. I'll give that a try too.

[Politically Incorrect]

"Which is why you don't need to bother with benchmarks, they mean nothing." ....... Statements like this are absurd.

No it isn't absurd, for you just answered as to why I make a comment like this

Benchmarks are accurate and give excellent comparison analysis in a controlled test. They mean nothing if you don't control the test. For example, my results can't be compared to Rob's unless the same resolution, filtering and other driver settings are identical.

Too many people make purchasing judgements (most of the time to be disappointed), and try to troubleshoot problems all based on OTHER PEOPLES benchmarks, not ever taking into consideration thier specific setups, settings etc.
It becomes more about the "number", Most don't know the real purpose of a benchmark, or how to use the information one provides.

Guess maybe I don't understand how a benchmark number effects my sim???

Does that mean that with a score of 4115 your sim runs better than mine? or that I can average a high FPS at maxed out settings mine is better than yours? No.

Im not arguing the fact that they aren't usefull to everyone but to a majority that don't understand the purpose of them, then well... useless


Bottom line is if your spending all your time trying to score a high benchmark how are you ever going to know how well your sim runs  ;D

[kipman725]

this isn't the place to debate the relevance of benchmarks, if you want to do that start another thread.  Were trying to help this guy here and the reason benchmarks are usefull in this case is to check if the grapics problems effect all games or just flight simulator.  The scores were a secondary thing to check out because an unusualy low one would point to some kind of problem.

[Robban_Sweden]

[quote]this isn't the place to debate the relevance of benchmarks, if you want to do that start another thread.

[kipman725]

ahh by the flikering do you mean the trees kind of shimmering?

as this is a flight simulator only issue.

Personaly I fly with 4x af to stop this been particulary noticable.

[Robban_Sweden]

ahh by the flikering do you mean the trees kind of shimmering?

as this is a flight simulator only issue.

Personaly I fly with 4x af to stop this been particulary noticable.

Yes, that's what I mean. Maybe I've been using the wrong word. Don't know what to call it in English. The exact translation for the word we use in Sweden would be "quiver".

The ground does it too and also some buildings.

Yeah, it gets better with the AF to 4 or higher but then I get the stutters  :)

I guess it all comes down to the fact that I have to choose:

Flickering (Shimmering or quivering) or Stuttering???

It's like choosing between breaking an arm or a leg...  ::)

[kipman725]

you woulden't be using a modifyied env map would you?

[Gunny04]

That shimmering or 'Quiver' Happens no matter what in FS.... I've had it since the day I got FS back in the summer of 04..... and that was on my MX 440, and now, same thing on the 6200, so, its not really a problem that your having, as long as your not having a lot of graphical glitching, you'll be fine, so go fly! and have fun... Cheers, Gunny