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Postby luke » Thu Sep 18, 2008 6:37 pm

Help required with the items below. Many Thanx in advance.

1. The cooler/fan boxed with an Intel core 2 Q cpu came with three strips of paste on its base for making contact with the cpu chip surface.

The instructions do not mention of paste added.

Is it necessary to add extra paste on it?

2. An asus P5K mobo looses one PCI slot as the 9800 grfx card takes two slots.

Any way to fit another pci slot for my internal modem & possibly for a sound card if the onboard fails (as usual with asus mobos).

It also lucks the parallel port for my old printer, can I add one somehow?

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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby MOUSY » Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:51 pm

In response to your RAM question, its neither.
DDR2-667

Its slower; 667Mhz
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby congo » Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:17 pm

1. The cooler/fan boxed with an Intel core 2 Q cpu came with three strips of paste on its base for making contact with the cpu chip surface.

Is it necessary to add extra paste on it?

2. An asus P5K mobo looses one PCI slot as the 9800 grfx card takes two slots.



1. no

2. You should still have 2 PCI slots available, the second PCI slot from the video card may block cooling of that video card if a large PCI card is fitted to it. Some modems/nics etc are very low profile, so they might be considered if you need to use that nearby slot.
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby luke » Fri Sep 19, 2008 2:52 am

Thanx Mousy & Congo (long time no see!),
so no fidling with that bios setting, & indeed the modem is only 1" high.

BTW the mobo is Asus P5Q Deluxe Intel P45 (Socket 775) PCI-E DDR2
& the grfx e-GeForce 9800gtx says 512mb DDR3, are these "2" & "3"
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby luke » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:05 am

Well finally I made the plunge with the savings in danger of dodgy banks today.

Went all the way, after first trying the EVGA GeForce 9800 GTX grfx on my existing system. For some reason it was still kinking or missing now & then as before & did'nt have the patience to start fidling with it.

I got the rest of the bits as per signature below.

All went well & in a couple of hrs (had the box emptied the previous night) it fired up & installed itself out of the CD/DVDs

BUT...... what ever combination I try (blind) in the Display configs & nVidias settings Antial/Anisotropic etc, it is still stattering, kinking or missing now & then, seas have water texture (nothing bright though) & lakes near Cranfield (UK) show up with water (landed OK) but not so the lakes near Denham, they are fields.

I downloaded the latest nVidia drivers & the scenery.cfg is same as before.

Even without the demanding Fotografic scenery S UK the above prevail.

I was expecting better performance with the new expensive specs, but most probably is my inadequate setting up.

The clouds are stanning though!!!.

Can anyone help? Thanx
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby rikm12345 » Sun Sep 21, 2008 11:50 am

Hi,

I have a similar setup as you, except i use Corsair 4gb 1066mhz DDRII ram, which i recommend upgrading to.

I would also look into overclocking your CPU to at least 3ghz.

Have you followed NickN's setups for XP and FSX in the FSX section's stickies?


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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby luke » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:08 pm

I understand higher ram speed & 3gb is better. but now trying to solve the mistery of the dry lakes around Denham (UK), which I did not occur with my old rig.

Have tried to follow NNick's info with old rig but couldn't hag it.

I found this below, if anybody has that elusive fix please let me know.

"...........The misplaced land/water near Denham is a known fault needing an upgrade/fix, but the link below for the update is no longer working . The link to the entire VFR Terrain Update page is broken.
http://visualflight.info/products/vfrte ... r-terrain/

Tried going in by products>VFR Terrain>Support as below but still no luck
http://visualflight.info/products/vfrterra............"

thanx ,
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby stevehookem » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:43 pm

I would wipe off the cheap paste and replace it with a paste that is proven to lower your temps. If you are planning to OC, this is a must!

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Re: cooler to cpu paste

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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby luke » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:55 pm

Gone past campfires Paul, use a 2 ring Belling hob & is connected to "AUX" .

That has been so in all my previous systems, I keep it showing for worning.
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby congo » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:19 pm

not shure if its large fan should suck air in it or push it out.luke


Hi Luke,
It blows out the back of the case thru the psu.
Your hardware seems adequate, so likely your software setup needs to be fixed.
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby luke » Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:19 pm

thanx Congo,
I put the fan upside down & now corrected it.

I am on my wits end, started with same software settings as before, & tried all sorts of combinations of settings and just can't get it right.

Still kiks now & then, lakes/rivers have no water, & its not the global warming I think.

What's that grfx cooler? looks as if is out of the honda oilcooler.
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby congo » Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:26 am

It's an S1 Accelero, a bit of a waste on this card because it doesn't overclock very well, but it keeps the card very cool all the same. The fans just barely spin and it's silent, so that's a plus as well.
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby luke » Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:48 pm

Thanx Congo,
I had some sugestions on upgrading my PSU & stock cpu cooler, bu is such a maze of products I get googleeyed trying to deside which is best.

I am trying for a moderate OC 2.4 to 3.0 & feel I may need to change my above gear. Which types would you sugest?

& on another chapter, If you or anybody else are conversant with MS Virtual PC, I created a new XP nLite cd, & tried to test it on "MS
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Re: cooler to cpu paste

Postby congo » Thu Oct 02, 2008 7:55 pm

As far as the PSU goes, you should aim for a reputable PSU with a high efficiency rating. High efficiency points to quality. Reputable does not mean popular by my definition, it means well proven.

I can link a site that provides decent reviews, but I'm not going to recommend one, as I have no idea what is available to you.

http://www.silentpcreview.com/section10.html


Look here for some cooler info:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article30-page1.html

With a Q number of 7.5, the Zalman CPS9500LED on that list cooled an E8400 @ 3.6ghz a full 10*C at both Idle and Load on a recent build I did.

The Thermalright Ultra-120's seem good but I think you need to buy a fan for them.

You won't need another PSU to overclock unless the present one is faulty or inadequate in some way. You may not have the best PSU, but it should provide the ability for some basic overclocking, without load conditions at least. You won't need a cooler either unless stress testing, but you won't know until you test the temps at load.

Maybe the PSU is not your current problem, (no pun intended).

No PSU or Cooler will help if you don't understand the basic O/C fundamentals.
With modern Intel based systems this is fairly easy if you simply twist the logic a little. (assuming your hardware is capable, and it probably is)

Forget all about everything you read about bus speeds, memory speeds etc, and take a fresh look.

Assume a CPU-FSB speed of 400mhz for starters, then you can improve upon that later if you wish. So you set 400mhz FSB in bios.

Set the FSB/memory ratio at 1:1, this means the 667mhz setting in your bios.

On the P5K, the 667mhz setting IS the 1:1 ratio lock. It is decieving, but think of it this way, if the FSB is set to 333mhz, (default for P35 chipsets) the ram will be running at 333mhz (DDR667), obviously the 1:1 ratio.

Lock the PCI and PCIe buses at their default speeds of 33 and 100mhz if your bios allows it.

Set an 8x CPU multiplier which equates to 3.2ghz for the overclock speed of the cpu. (400fsb x 8 = 3200mhz).

The ram will be running at 800mhz, and your ram is only rated for 667mhz, so, the ram may fail at 800mhz, and this will be the bug in the ointment.

If your ram is currently defaulting to cas 4 timings by SPD, then you may find that it will crash at 800mhz, yet if the timings are set to cas 5 figures, the ram may be fine at 800mhz. Obviously. if the ram is stable at cas 4 timings, then leave it there.

Often, bios will not configure ram correctly at overclocked speeds, and this can result in instability if the timings are left on automatic/SPD.

Sometimes, you can just boot the PC at default bios settings, then go into bios and lock the ram timings by setting the timings to manual configuration, and don't make any other changes to them. These locked timings may work well with the overclock, and they provide a base from which to make timing alterations if no other information is available.

If your PC5300 is unstable at 800mhz, you may stabilise it with some extra ram voltage, but do this in small steps, ram can be easily burnt. Some ram just doesn't seem to respond to voltage increases at all.

While setting up the clocks, turn off all auto clocking options in bios, so your software reads the correct speeds and you don't get confused, you can re-enable them later with luck.

You may still find instability at the above settings, even if your ram and timings are correct...... indeed, you may need a slight vcore increase or chipset voltage increase, but take it all one step at a time.

If you cannot get the ram stable at your overclock, you need better ram, and no PSU or cpu cooler is going to help you there.
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