new computer?

[FSGT Gabe]

Hi guys,

I'm thinking of buying a new computer for my gaming, and I want your input.  I'm looking at these two: which of them do you think would run FS better?

HP AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.2GHz Media Center Computer (1540N)
Processor Type  AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+
Processor Speed  2.2GHz
RAM  2GB PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM (Exp. To 4GB)
Hard Drive  250GB SATA 7200RPM
Optical Drives  16X Dual Layer DVD+/-RW with Lightscribe
Graphics Card  nVidia GeForce 6150LE 256MB
Available Expansion Bays  1 x 3.5", 1 x 5.25"
Available Expansion Slots  2 x PCI, 1 x PCI-Express
Cache  2MB L2
Disk Drive  No
Fax/Modem  56K V.90
I/O Ports  See The Features Section
Included Software  See The Features Section
Monitor Included?  No
Network Card  10/100 Ethernet
Other Control Devices  Multimedia Keyboard, Optical Mouse
Preloaded Operating System  Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005
Sound Card  High Definition Audio
Speakers  No
System Bus  200MHz
Warranty  90 Days Limited

Or this?


HP A1324N Intel Pentium 4 524 HT 3.06GHz Media Center Computer  
Mfr. Part Number: EL464AAR#ABA
Processor Type  Intel Pentium 4 524 With Hyperthreading
Processor Speed  3.06GHz
RAM  1024 MB PC2-4200 DDR2 SDRAM
Hard Drive  300 SATA 7200RPM
Optical Drives  Dual Layer 16X DVD+/-RW With Lightscribe
Graphics Card  ATI Radeon XPRESS 200
Available Expansion Bays  See The Features Section
Available Expansion Slots  2 - PCI Slots, 1 - PCE Express x16
Cache  1MB L2  
Disk Drive  No
Fax/Modem  56K Modem
I/O Ports  See The Features Section
Included Software  See The Features Section
Monitor Included?  No
Network Card  Integrated 10/100 Base T
Other Control Devices  HP Keyboard, Scroll Mouse,Remote Control
Preloaded Operating System  Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition
Sound Card  High Def Audio, 8 Speaker Configurable
Speakers  No
System Bus  533MHz

Thanks for the help.

- Kevin

[Woodlouse2002]

Neither. They're both already on the verge of being obsolete. Wait a few months.

[yf]

if you can wait, wait, if not, (like me) get yourself the 8800! thats the only card that will handle FSX like crazy

look!

[ThatOnePerson]

My card cost half that and i get the same fps with high settings

[Politically Incorrect]

My card cost half that and i get the same fps with high settings

Same here LOL! My  7800 GT Co's can do that easily and more so if I over clock

But I am with Woodlouse on this one, if you can wait do! The new stuff is on its way.

[ctjoyce]

Please tell me your not serious about actually wanting ithor? Both have seriously underpowered videocards. A 6150 or an Xpress 200.....I'de rathar play on a laptop.

Give me a budget, and I will give you a parts list.

Cheers
Cameron

[yf]

My card cost half that and i get the same fps with high settings

so you are telling me, that your PC will do the same, okay whats your PC spec.?

is somthing Wrong with mine?

[ctjoyce]

My card cost half that and i get the same fps with high settings

so you are telling me, that your PC will do the same, okay whats your PC spec.?

is somthing Wrong with mine?

YF,

Don't worry, they most likely don't have the same setup as yourself (FSX sliders wise) also remember that most of us have tweaked the absolute crap out of our rigs. Therefore me getting similar frames to yourself on my rig is not out of the ordanary, however it took me about three years of pinpoint tweaking to get it there. If you were to do something similar you could crush us all.

Cheers
Cameron

[ThatOnePerson]

so you are telling me, that your PC will do the same, okay whats your PC spec.?

is somthing Wrong with mine?

I have a pentium 4 HT
BFG 7950OC which I overclocked further
1.5 gigs of ram
And a heavily tweaked FSX


Edit: The one seting that I can see that you have over me is a higher water setting. Other than that it all looks the same

[FSGT Gabe]

Give me a budget, and I will give you a parts list.

Thanks Cameron.

[yf]

ha ha...water is "THE" biggest FPS hungry... and with the 8800 gtx, you can have it almost anywere, ( exsept jfk in new york, still playable but crushed FPS...)

B.T.W. I used the 3 hour Ntune and here is the results.



is it not possible to get it up higher??? at least the CPU? and why not the FSB up to the 1333?



whats the secret?
Thanks
YF

[ctjoyce]

@Sgt. Gabe, $800 w/ a monitor? If thats Canadian, I don't know if I can do that. $800 UDS (about 1K CD) is where I start as a minimum and work my way up from there. Even going through Dell and the like, the cheapest I could get you was $2,200. The biggest problem is that you are next gen gaming on a budget of about half of what you need.

You are 15, go get a job in a retail shop. When I was 15 I worked, and thats how I was able to continue to rebuild Sheila. Or you could ask your parents to go half. If they are willing to match what you can come up with, your dreams of having an excellent gaming rig could become a reality.

@YF:  Your problem is that you let a program do all the work for you, and it only went to where your drivers said it was safe. Most of us (well Nick Congo, and I etc) do all of our tweaking by hand at the BIOS level pushing all our parts until they just cant put any more speed out. We also have done software tweaking. Editing FSX or windows files to get the optimal out of our hardware. Removing limiters built into windows or our games so that our hardware can push as hard as it wants, and the software will keep going with it.

Drop down to "Tweaking and overclocking" for a more indepth look at why someone who has spent half of what you did, and has a better preforming rig than you.

Again looking at your speeds this truely shows. You are only getting 3.22Ghz out of that conroe? Tom's and Maximum PC both pushed it clear of the 4Ghz mark with a stock cooler. You really have to ditch all the fske driver tuning, and go in and get dirty with your CMOS.

Cheers
Cameron

[yf]

the problem is i dont know were to start?!   I was playing till now to get it up higher but in wont boot! I got the vcore higher and still no result, I need some one with the same MOBO and 6800 2.93 and the cosair memory to help me find out whats possible?

thanks

[FSGT Gabe]

@Sgt. Gabe, $800 w/ a monitor? If thats Canadian, I don't know if I can do that. $800 UDS (about 1K CD) is where I start as a minimum and work my way up from there. Even going through Dell and the like, the cheapest I could get you was $2,200. The biggest problem is that you are next gen gaming on a budget of about half of what you need.

Thanks for helping me with this, Cameron.

[Gunny04]

Wait about 6 months to a year.... by then you can get a pc at Electronics store for around 5-800 bucks WITH a monitor, and you can add certain things. Only downfall is overclocking, but I doubt you'll get into that. Have a look at my sig, this computer was $589.99 and I had an extra gig of ram and tossed in a 7300LE (Mistake) but stock it ran FS9 maxed. in a year I bet dual core setups will be the same price I payed for this, with vista etc... So just wait and buy an Acer like I did (Not preffered of course but THEY DO WORK if absolutly needed) I think in 6-12 months you could get a pc for 5-600 bucks and buy a 250 dollar mid range gpu and a decent PSU and you'd be fine. However a lot of members here would love to disagree with me...

Cheers, Gunny (Cheap never gets you anywhere.... this is my 3rd computer, still cant get a game on max)