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Postby Jehuty » Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:57 am

Yo.

Alright, i'm running on a Pentium III (Yes.. 3..) Processor with a Geforce Nvidia 5200FX, and a 4.5 Gig hard drive, i can barely play FS9 on it.. but at least the whole system works.

Also, i am using 128MB of RAM, sickening :(...

ANYWAYS... This christmas, i'm gonna start upgrading the computer, starting with the Motherboard and RAM.

RAM and motherboard i won't have a problem with..:

ASUS P5VD1-X ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
64.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131566

OCZ 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Dual Channel Platinum System Memory - Retail          
247.55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6820227210

Here's my problem though..
I'm going to need to buy a new processor, and the one i want is going to be hell for me, as i will need over 1,000 dollars, and i'll need a cooling system.

Or i could just go for a 3.4 or 3.8GHZ..

So i'm here to ask you..

Should i save for the 3.7 GHZ (Intel)
or the 3.2-4? (Also Intel.)
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby congo » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:45 am

You said the "P" word m8.   :o
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby 4_Series_Scania » Sat Nov 19, 2005 12:00 am

Bang for buck, save yourself some money on the CPU by going with an AMD and spend the saved cash on a half decent graphics card.

I sold my old 2.6c P4 and bought my pc (specs below) I don't regret the swap, the P4 is certainly quicker encoding files etc but for games (most importantly, FS) the AMD runs away from the p4.

However, if price is not an issue, then the P4 is an excellent processor and it will give equally as good service as your p3.


For what its worth, simply upgrading your existing PC to 512MB RAM will reap big rewards, if your expecting great things from your current card and a 3.4 / 3.8 p4 then I'm afraid, you will see little extra in performance, it certainly would'nt yeild the greatest of results from such an expensive cpu, far from it!



With the greatest of respect and not wishing to sound overly blunt, I'd seriously reconsider spending such large amounts of money on components, you seem to know, or understand little about.

Give us an idea of your total budget, for your complete new system, and I'm sure the likes of myself of other members here will be more than happy to put you right.  :)
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby congo » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:45 am

You see Jehuty, Intel components (Pentium processors) are just fine, but they will cost you quite a bit more to set up than an equivalent performing AMD based rig.

Traditional issues/advantages/disadvantages between the two types of systems no longer applies. There is a new set of rules governing system choice.

As you stated yourself, the Intel Pentium CPU purchase is a real deterent, and as stated above, you can use that money to invest in other critical hardware.

Read up on "nForce 4 ultra" chipsets and AMD San Diego processors, my favorite at the moment.   8)
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby Jehuty » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:08 pm

Thanks for the replies...  ;)

How good is AMD? I've never had any experience with it..
And i've never had experience with the Pentium 4 series either..
Anyways, i've reconstructed my list...

Intel Pentium 4 650 800MHz FSB LGA 775 EM64T Processor - Retail
268.50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819116196

Foxconn 925XE7AA-8EKRS2 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
165.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813186023

All i really want, is something that can run a Geforce 7800 GTX 512 MB, which is now the most expensive thing on my list, at 700+ dollars..
I also want something with at LEAST 2 GB and a fairly decent sound card...

But if you all say AMD is a better processor than a Intel, i'll bite and try it out in the new system i'm building.

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Re: Need an opinion

Postby congo » Sun Nov 20, 2005 9:46 pm

It's not really a question of "better", it's one of which is better for you. If you want slightly better gaming, then it's AMD, if you want to copy DVD's slightly faster, then it's a Pentium.

Not all AMD cpu's are equal either, there are many different core types. Again, it's what is best for your useage.

Onboard sound on the latest mainboards is all you need, forget the soundcard for now, if you find you need better sound, you can get a card later.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819103539

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6813131530


Your chosen video card is overkill in the extreme, it gets only a few more FPS than this very similar card and this one is less than half the price! Don't be a sucker.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6814130256
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby Jehuty » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:25 am

Interesting...

Now i'm going into this whole frenzy...
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby Delta_ » Mon Nov 21, 2005 3:15 am

I can answer the heat one.  No, AMD processors work from totally new designs which are very cool.  The P4 works from variations of the previous designs, mainly the heatpipes are extended so the temperatures are much higher. ;)
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby congo » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:26 am

DDR2 is different technology, and I think it's bottom end speed is 500mhz, or is it 533mhz?

At any rate, DDR2 ram has enabled Intel based systems to still compete performance wise with AMD 64 based rigs, which perform amazingly well on the older DDR memory modules. Mind you, I run overclocked PC4000 DDR modules on my AMD 64 at 520mhz (they are designed for this).

System memory bandwidth is not only determined by the type of memory module these days, but it is a complex function of system architecture.

SLI is a luxury I cannot afford, nor do I wish to support it in any way unless the hardware producers are willing to halve the cost of their products. From the very start of the SLI debacle, I've had my doubts about the technology. SLI is a gimmicky marketing ploy to extract consumer dollars, even if it was not developed with that intention, that's what it is now. Think twice about embracing the technology.

The newer AMD cpu's run cool on the standard cooler supplied with them. I can attest to this fact because I accidently knocked my CPU fan wire off one night.

I flew combat in IL2FB with comms, played Far Cry and surfed, did some benchmarking in 3DMark'05 then I noticed the CPU temp was up a few degrees after running the benchmarks................ When I saw my fan wire off, I couldn't believe I hadn't burnt out my brand new CPU, but it wasn't even hot.......without the fan!
I ran 3Dmark again for a short time and watched amazed as the temp failed to reach over 52*C without the fan running.
(Please don't try this at home kids........ I was probably just very lucky!)

There is a basic difference between the 7800GT and 7800GTX video card models.

Put it this way....... you have not got a hope in Hades of actually knowing about video cards without doing DAYS of research at least. It is a very specialised subject and the manufacturers are implicated in causing mass confusion with model types and numbers, even what looks like the same exact cards can be quite different.
Sometimes it becomes a matter of actually using a jewellers magnifier to get the numbers off the RAM chips on the cards themselves to see what quality they are......... and the manufacturers answer to this little ploy?............ hide the ram under ridiculous and unnecessary heat sinks so you can't see them!

Even equipped with the right knowledge, it's still often a matter of luck when getting a video card.

The best thing about the advent of the latest high end cards is that they are ALL so powerful, that ANY of them will work fine. This is the first time this has ever occured to my knowledge.

I'm not going to write four pages on video cards, so if you want to find out, start googling up some reviews and chase links to the ends of the earth like I
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby Jehuty » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:48 am

Heh, thanks alot, i think i just knocked off about 1000 dollars on my list  ;D.

Next time i probably won't be such a sucker..

And i might have more questions..  8).

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Re: Need an opinion

Postby congo » Mon Nov 21, 2005 10:22 am

Don't get me wrong though, there is nothing wrong with top of the line gear, or Intel based systems either.

But if budget is a concern, there is usally an alternative, and for the gamer on a budget, the options have never been better than they are now.
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby Jehuty » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:59 am

Dun du duuh DAAH!

Not really... anyways. Hey! Again..

My dad and i have almost come to an agreement that he'll buy me a new computer for christmas/my birthday..

So he told me to go look on the net for a computer (he suggested Dell..
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby Jehuty » Sun Nov 27, 2005 2:12 am

Sorry for the double post, but i've decided to scratch some stuff  ::)

I'm getting a AMD Processor with a Geforce 7800 GT 256MB that has a combo price with an SLI motherboard.. awesome stuff!

So, this Christmas, i'll be rockin a system i've wanted for years!

Happy Holidays..
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Re: Need an opinion

Postby Politically Incorrect » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:09 am

I may be wrong if so Im certain Congo can correct me, but to my understanding the 7800 GTX is nothing but the 7800 GT that is factory overclocked.

Im currently getting a pc built that will be running 2 eVGA 7800 GT CO (CO=copper heatsink) which will be clocked by a professional (OCing isnt something I am comfy with doing)

Along with a AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ dual core
Abit AN8 Sli nForce 4 and 2 gigs of OCZ Platinum RAM

Should give me a few FPS :)

Newegg is a great place to shop as well as Monarch and XPCgear and Mwave. Shop around it is amazing the cost difference on the same items ;)

For instance a Viewsonic 19" VX924 (the best LCD made IMHO) averages $400+ at most retailers, only $344 at XPCGear with free shipping (got two on the way now lol! )
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