Please, please help, can I run this...

[ctjoyce]

That PSU is perfect.

As for the case, Thermaltake Matrix, or Soprano DX.

Cheers
Cameron

[therealzebraman]

Ok, I've talked it over with the father and his response was 'Just give me a list of what you want and I'll get it from my suppliers (business).' I said I might need a new PSU with higher wattage and he said 'might aswell get a new case and PSU' (he's paying) So I have a current case that was about

[justpassingthrough]

Yeh, I plan on playing FS9, BF2, SWAT 4 and Armed Assault to name a few I've seen. FSX would be good but anything DX10 specific I'm not to bothered about (yet).

Just keep this in mind about DX10... the 8800 is a pre release DX10 card and it pulls no where near the power of the next gen DX10 cards. The R600 will set the standard for the next gen and I am sure Nvidia will follow suit if not expand that.

The best R600 video cards will pull between 240-280 watts of power for it ALONE. Expect that to be the norm for DX10 cards next year since they will also access the CPU/memory from the individual core address. When you upgrade for DX10, the PSU will have to be replaced and there is no way around that unless you were to go ut and buy a monster PSU today.

Enjoy your new system!

[jimcooper1]

[quote]Ok, I've talked it over with the father and his response was 'Just give me a list of what you want and I'll get it from my suppliers (business).' I said I might need a new PSU with higher wattage and he said 'might aswell get a new case and PSU' (he's paying) So I have a current case that was about

[therealzebraman]

No my money. He's just sourcing the parts from business suppliers at business rates.  And yes I always thought about the HDD, I believe the current one I have is relatively slow reading and low cache and such. I was wanting to keep costs down by keeping my current HDD and make it easy on my budget along with what my dads got to spend on me for my birthday. But at that price, thank you please. Good find Jimmy boy, thought that I could pick up a 80gb 16mb db cache for that price, but 320gb should do me. Whats this RAID 0 I hear so much about, I know it's 2 HDD working together, but is this better performance, as I could easily get dirt cheap 80gb Maxtors (crap I know, but why do you think my dad uses them) could these be run in RAID 0 and at good performance or would the drive you suggested be better.

[therealzebraman]

Yeh, I plan on playing FS9, BF2, SWAT 4 and Armed Assault to name a few I've seen. FSX would be good but anything DX10 specific I'm not to bothered about (yet).

Just keep this in mind about DX10... the 8800 is a pre release DX10 card and it pulls no where near the power of the next gen DX10 cards. The R600 will set the standard for the next gen and I am sure Nvidia will follow suit if not expand that.

The best R600 video cards will pull between 240-280 watts of power for it ALONE. Expect that to be the norm for DX10 cards next year since they will also access the CPU/memory from the individual core address. When you upgrade for DX10, the PSU will have to be replaced and there is no way around that unless you were to go ut and buy a monster PSU today.

Enjoy your new system!

I understand, but I think I can hold out until then, and the price certainly says I can. I'm already looking at

[justpassingthrough]

[quote]No my money. He's just sourcing the parts from business suppliers at business rates.

[therealzebraman]

Yeh, but my budget is already pretty stretched, I'll see if my dad can pick up a cheap RAPTOR drive. At the moment the only RAPTOR drive I could afford would be 36gb, which wouldn't be worth much apart from the OS. Just a quick question, would having the OS on a seperate HDD to say my games and such, so the computer is reading the OS from one HDD and running a game off another, does this increase performance? Is there any way of increasing performance with multiple HDDs (of different sizes so RAID 0 is out of the question) by putting certain programs like OS and virus prtection and system processes on one drive, and music, documents, along with games and personal software that isn't vital to running the system on another HDD?

[justpassingthrough]

Yeh, but my budget is already pretty stretched, I'll see if my dad can pick up a cheap RAPTOR drive. At the moment the only RAPTOR drive I could afford would be 36gb, which wouldn't be worth much apart from the OS. Just a quick question, would having the OS on a seperate HDD to say my games and such, so the computer is reading the OS from one HDD and running a game off another, does this increase performance? Is there any way of increasing performance with multiple HDDs (of different sizes so RAID 0 is out of the question) by putting certain programs like OS and virus prtection and system processes on one drive, and music, documents, along with games and personal software that isn't vital to running the system on another HDD?

Running FS9 from another hard drive can be done but a difference (increase) in performance is only seen if the primary HDD with OS on it is very slow, is already very full and is not properly defraged. The short answers is: Its based on the circumstances of the system.

You will have to reinstall Windows from scratch on a new system so my suggestion is you learn how to optimize a system correctly from the start and not use a 2nd hard drive for running software such as games.

If the system is properly set up and the hardware is correct, running from another disk may actually hinder performance because FS9/FSX look for system files on the HDD they are installed and if they can not find them they start accessing the rest of the system to locte the needed files. All you are doing is increasing disk access and diverting CPU cycles to go to disk access. If the OS hard drive is very slow and not very well optimized the 2nd disk access appears to have benefit to the user but it is a FALSE assuption based on their system and the better way is to run all software installed into the OS.

Review this entire thread... it made my old computer come back to life

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 53;start=0

You would be better off on a 320GB SATA 300 drive than a 36GB Raptor. Although the RAPTORs are very fast there is also truth the fact that the larger the hard drive, the better the performance. It is simple geometry because the larger the disk, the less full the disk will be and when properly defragmented with special professional software the files will be located at the beginning of the disk and take very little head action of the hard drive to find them, where, with a small capacity hard drive the head must seek across the disk to retrieve files and that takes away from scenery load times and creates stutters.

I would not purchase less than a 150GB Raptor unless I was going to RAID and even then would go for no less than 2 80GB Raptor drives.

[therealzebraman]

Yeh, I think I will go for the 320gb, good storage for a decent price, I'm not obsessed with getting the best performance out of every component, no matter the cost, I just want a cost effective yet powerful system that will be a good base to play recent games and upgrade in the future.

[ctjoyce]

Again I repeat myself

Intel Core 2 Duo E6600
Gigabyte GA-G965P-DS3
2GB OCZ Platinum Ed DDR2-800
ATi Sapphire Tech Radeon X1950XT
250GB SATA3 Western Digital
Samgsung DVD Burner
Hiper Type R 580W PSU
ThermalTake Matrix.

That is a beautiful system right there with tuns of overclocking potential. Throw a Zalman CNPS-9700Cu on top of the C2D, and clock to the sun.

Cheers
Cameron

[therealzebraman]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you never mentioned that system, at least not in this thread.

[therealzebraman]

And I've given the list to my dad now. It's

Core 2 Duo E6600
Gigabyte GA-G965P-DS3
2GB OCZ Platinum Ed 800mhz
7900GS Gainward BLISS 256mb
320GB Western Digital HDD 16mb cache
Hiper Type R 580W PSU
Thermaltake Soprano
Sony DVD Burner

[jimcooper1]

And I've given the list to my dad now. It's

Core 2 Duo E6600
Gigabyte GA-G965P-DS3
2GB OCZ Platinum Ed 800mhz
7900GS Gainward BLISS 256mb
320GB Western Digital HDD 16mb cache
Hiper Type R 580W PSU
Thermaltake Soprano
Sony DVD Burner

That rig will be so fast you'll have to change your handle to Racing Stripes!!!


Regards

Jim

[therealzebraman]

That's all I needed to hear. Now I just got to wait for my dad to order the parts (he's very busy at work  :()

Edit: Just asked as he's back from work and says he can get the mobo about