vid card price vs peformance

[Bindoe]

Blind leading the blind? Geez Gunny! FSX is gonna want 24 pipes, not 4 or 8.

That's to run it exellent, not just good. Also 16 pipelines does the job fine

The other question you have to answer is how much do you want to spend, and do you have an AGP slot or PCI-E. Unfortunately in the world of graphics price realy isn't a benchmark of preformance, as a 7800GS and a X850XTPE will cost about the same, but the 7800GS will beat the pands off the X850.

So whats your interface, and how much you wanna spend?

Cheers
Cameron

Actually in some games the X850 beats it.

Why not do others a favour and tell the truth about that POS instead of misleading some poor soul?

Why don't you do others a favour by not flaming them when they think it's fine?

I don't like when people say "it runs on my computer". I could get 2 or 3 fps and say that it "runs".

I have no doubts that it could run on my computer, what I want to know is how well it will run.

He said it runs FINE not just it runs

[congo]

thanks fellows

but honestly the last 4 posts did not contribute to the initial question of mine. infighting and trying to outsmart each other is not helpful to the ordinbary joe like me\

michaelmichael

Why not? My post was meant to directly address your original concern, seeing that you listed the 7300 and were asking opinions on it, I thought I made myself rather clear on the point, where some other posters were adding some rather "incomplete" information.

If you don't think this advice is valid, ignore it, as Gunny did.

Take Gunny's advice then, he just bought one and knows first hand just how bad some of these offerings really are.

I don't see why my efforts at trying to stop you from wasting your money are considered a waste of your reading pleasure, but I hope this prevents someone at least from getting "had" by the video pirates.

I work very hard, too hard in fact, to help people in this forum make informed decisions on what hardware to buy. I do it out of a genuine desire to help my fellow simmers.

I know Gunny well enough through these forums to know he's not thin skinned enough to take offense to another opinion, even if that opinion is a strong one, which it is.

It only takes a tiny bit of mis-information to undo all the good. The temptation to buy a budget card is very strong as money is a big motivator, but now is the worst time to buy inadequate hardware, it is simply throwing money down the toilet.....

Perhaps you could elaborate on what interface your planned upgrade will be on, seeing how you listed both common types? ( AGP or PCIe? )

Why don't you do others a favour by not flaming them when they think it's fine?

He said it runs FINE not just it runs

Because it is not "fine", it's rubbish and a misleading statement that can only cause bad buying decisions, but hey, that's my opinion (and my reality) and not intended as a flame, but rather to set the record straight before someone else gets caught.

This forum is not a screenshot contest, nor is it a lesson on flying MSFS or many of the myriad interests that simming brings with it.... this is the hardware forum, where we blow thousands of bucks every day.

And as far as the X850 goes? It's an antique now, get over it.

[ctjoyce]

Congo have I ever told you I love you. That post took the words right out of my mouth.

As for the X850, Throw a HDR or OpenGL game at it, then watch it "prefrom"

Cheers
Cameron

[congo]

Well, thanks Cameron,

At least someone does.

I lub u2  :-*

[Bindoe]

Congo have I ever told you I love you. That post took the words right out of my mouth.

As for the X850, Throw a HDR or OpenGL game at it, then watch it "prefrom"

Cheers
Cameron

I played 11 hours of FEAR today on a 850, it ran smooth maxed out 1024x768.

With abit of overclocking, it will do pretty well too:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6407/getrapedlv0.jpg
SLI 7900GTX?
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4278 ... arecu9.jpg

Ok, yes I know you think, that I think a X850 pwns a 7900GTX and ATI X1900 . But I don't.

[quote]And as far as the X850 goes? It's an antique now, get over it.

[Gunny04]

Thanks congo for that, I bought a 7300 Knowing at the moment I bought it that it was going to be my 6200 all over again, and that the only difference was the Slot type (AGP to PCI-E) I think this topic is over with......  if you want to know the truth, the 7300 beats my 6200, in only 2 ways, 1 it is PCI-E, and 2 it can overclock more than 25Mhz..... I really need to get back into the techi world dont I? oh and I dont reccomend anyone buy anything with 4 pipes, also, if you can avoid it, dont buy one with 8 pipes, and if you can avoid further drawbacks, get a 7800 or ATI Equivalent (I cant spell and I dont know ATI as well as I do Nvidia) if its possible, they seem like good cards..... Cheers, Gunny

[ctjoyce]

I played 11 hours of FEAR today on a 850, it ran smooth maxed out 1024x768.

With abit of overclocking, it will do pretty well too:
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6407/getrapedlv0.jpg
SLI 7900GTX?
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/4278 ... arecu9.jpg

Ok, yes I know you think, that I think a X850 pwns a 7900GTX and ATI X1900 . But I don't.

First off, take those benchmarks with a grain of salt. The systems are not setup equaly, so you get a different outcome than if you had put both cards into the same system.

Even though it runs FEAR perfectly? Even though with overclocking and certain conditions it beats 7900GT for half the price?

What conditions? You can clock the hell out of the X850, and still wouln't match the 7900GTs preformance, it just lacks the pixel pipelines. Now I will give it the fact that it does have GDDR3 RAM, and it does have pixel shader 3, but it dosn't have HDR and it dosn't have 24 pixel pipelines. Put the 7900GT vs the X850 into a 3DMark06 comp, and crank up the settings in FEAR and watch your X850 die a slow and painful death.

Its the old "well it plays fine on my system" Yes it may be fine for YOU, but not for me, and not for someone who wants to buy a card thats going to last them for longer than the end of the year getting excellent frame rates with settings cranked.

Cheers
Cameron

[NicksFXHouse]

run it at a REAL resolution such as 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 not that crap 1024x768 resolution

tell me how far you get then


an x850 will not touch a 7900GT and the Gainward AGP 7800GS is a 7900GT core so it wipes the hell out of the x850xt PCI version as well even being AGP

The x1900xt is the best bet in ATI and the 7900 series in Nvidia.. the costs of those cards has dropped significantly because of what is coming out over the next 2 quarters and they want to get rid of old stock so the performance to cost ratio is worth the upgrade. The prices will continue to drop as we get closer to xmas too.

the only problem with the 7900 series is the old stock from the original release when the manufactures screwed with the clocks.. the second release of the cards incorporated the fixes for the dreaded 7900 problems. Anyone who gets a 7900 that displays the corruption problems unfortunately got old stock and shoud return the cards for replacement.

[ctjoyce]

Good to see ya around Nick, thought we had lost you.

Cheers
Cameron

[airsoftman687]

hey everyone thanks, i just ordered my xfx geforce 7900gt!

[NicksFXHouse]

hey everyone thanks, i just ordered my xfx geforce 7900gt!

good choice

[NicksFXHouse]

Good to see ya around Nick, thought we had lost you.

Cheers
Cameron

Na... there has been a huge ass kicking in the software world... big daddy is freaking out and it all goes downhill from there so I have been quite busy between consulting and regular work.

I am usually tied up between Q4 and Q1 of any year ... tis the season again.

[Bindoe]

run it at a REAL resolution such as 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 not that crap 1024x768 resolution

tell me how far you get then


an x850 will not touch a 7900GT and the Gainward AGP 7800GS is a 7900GT core so it wipes the hell out of the x850xt PCI version as well even being AGP

Actually with my old CRT it ran fine at 1280x1024. With the LCD, FEAR can only put it upto 1024x768 because some weird bug :S

[quote]
What conditions? You can clock the hell out of the X850, and still wouln't match the 7900GTs preformance, it just lacks the pixel pipelines. Now I will give it the fact that it does have GDDR3 RAM, and it does have pixel shader 3, but it dosn't have HDR and it dosn't have 24 pixel pipelines. Put the 7900GT vs the X850 into a 3DMark06 comp, and crank up the settings in FEAR and watch your X850 die a slow and painful death.

[congo]

Na... there has been a huge ass kicking in the software world... big daddy is freaking out and it all goes downhill from there so I have been quite busy between consulting and regular work.

Hehe, I had a feeling about this, sometimes it's not so hard to read between the lines.

Lot's of pressure out there ATM, chin up!