The benchmarks are out, and Intel is on top

[ctjoyce]

however it depends on the benchmark. In media stuff Intel has always been faster. And now their taking gaming.

Cheers
Cameron

[Brett_Henderson]

See ?  This is where I get confused  

Forget  ALL  benchmarks. I'm asking a bout real performance. If Intel can process a media file  FORTY PERCENT faster than AMD .. they aren't even in the same class. And that would have to translate into something near 40% in gaming too. Not a completely parallel comparison, but it would have to be pretty darn close.. That would be along the lines of 34fps compared to 24fps.

How in the world will AMD sell a single processor ?

[NicksFXHouse]

One hardware site benchmark test does not a processor make.



tick toc

[Brett_Henderson]

I'm not bias to AMD or Intel.... Intel kicks the crap out for AMD for just about everything and I own a few Inhell systems myself. I have seen this same type of race junk before over the years and AMD always seems to pull a rabit out of their hats just when Intel thinks they have them cornered... LOL

Are you guys trying to confuse me on purpose ?

How can AMD get it's crap kicked out if it slams Intel when Intel seems to corner it ?

GOOD LORD ..HELP ME

[NicksFXHouse]

Are you guys trying to confuse me on purpose ?

How can AMD get it's crap kicked out if it slams Intel when Intel seems to corner it ?

GOOD LORD ..HELP ME

LOL

AMD has always held the graphics, overclock and cost to performance ratio title.... Intel holds the title for just about every other application.


read above again... I edited in some comments

[Brett_Henderson]

OK.. fine.. I can "kinda" understand that (though it's all just manipulation of binary data)..

But is there really a 40% difference.. either way ?

I mean, for crying out loud... One company couldn't give processors away that were that much slower..

[NicksFXHouse]

OK.. fine.. I can "kinda" understand that (though it's all just manipulation of binary data)..

But is there really a 40% difference.. either way ?

I mean, for crying out loud... One company couldn't give processors away that were that much slower..

Brett.. dont believe everything you read until all the hardware sites go over the results. There are some applications, such as Adobe Premiere, that Intel WILL wipe AMD off the charts but you are correct in your comment that allot of it has to do with the software manufacture manipulating thier code for one processer or the other.

...I don't believe for a minute AMD will allow intel to grab or get anywhere near their primary market.

The bottom line is COST/PERFORMANCE ratio.

[PisTon]

[quote]See ?

[richardd43]

Someone asked how someone could become a fanboy to one brand. I would not consider myself a fanboy but I do own 4 upper end AMD computers. I can not afford to dump them just because Intel comes out with a faster chip.

When I can no longer run the new games or productivity suites I will once again upgrade. By that time I will need new motherboards and associated equipment.

Because 3 of the computers are also used for our work I have tried to keep them fairly consistant in regard to parts, it keeps the spare parts list down.

When I upgrade I will have to see which manufacturers have the best bang for the buck and buy accordingly.

[Politically Incorrect]

I have pc running AMD and another running Intel.

And benchmarking MS Word, Intel whooped AMD!  ;D

This is where I always say (and then get bashed on later) that benchmarks don't mean much to the average user.

For one chances are the rigs that the benchmark is run on is no where near what you might be running, so your numbers will never get close no matter what you use be it AMD or Intel.

So does a benchmark prove one brand is better than another? Not necessarily but it proves that on thier setup one performed better than the other, it may be the exact opposite for you.

To me the only reliable test is personal satisfaction, how well it does for your purpose, I don't care if some guy named "Tom" gets his CPU to kick ass on his rig I want it to kick on mine.

Also whos numbers are you suppose to belive? Many site will always post better numbers for one or the other, they are "paid" to do so, where do you go to know for certain that you are getting a unbiased opinion?

You must wait for more than one or two sites to post benchmarks if that is what you use to determine what you will buy.

I make my descisions to buy due to actual everyday users advice , not by what ever a site with a bunch of numbers or graphs had to say,(us "average" users can't make any rhyme or reason of it anyway)  and have done that ever since I got my first PC and have yet been steered wrong.

What does my rig bench at?

I don't know and really don't care, all i know is it kicks butt no matter what I throw at it
Oh and it runs AMD

[Brett_Henderson]

I guess I'm having trouble getting a grip on how the processor itself can be that different. When it gets down to the nitty-gritty, it's still just the addition and subtraction of 1's and 0's in 8, 16, 32, or 64 bit chunks. How differently can that be done ? Let alone.. How can one do it 40% faster than the other when it comes to video encoding, but the OTHER do it better processing real-time 3D images (gaming) ?

If a guy sits down with what would be two solid work days worth of encoding to do on his brand new, $8,000 Intel machine.. would the guy sitting next to him, same work-load, with an $8,000 AMD machine need an extra day ? But if those same guys played Doom, the AMD guy would have the faster computer ?

I'm going back into R/C planes and model railroading *smirk*

[Woodlouse2002]

I looked into Intell instead of AMD for the processor of my computer. However the Athlon was

[NicksFXHouse]

[quote]I looked into Intell instead of AMD for the processor of my computer. However the Athlon was

[NicksFXHouse]

I guess I'm having trouble getting a grip on how the processor itself can be that different. When it gets down to the nitty-gritty, it's still just the addition and subtraction of 1's and 0's in 8, 16, 32, or 64 bit chunks. How differently can that be done ? Let alone.. How can one do it 40% faster than the other when it comes to video encoding, but the OTHER do it better processing real-time 3D images (gaming) ?

If a guy sits down with what would be two solid work days worth of encoding to do on his brand new, $8,000 Intel machine.. would the guy sitting next to him, same work-load, with an $8,000 AMD machine need an extra day ? But if those same guys played Doom, the AMD guy would have the faster computer ?

I'm going back into R/C planes and model railroading *smirk*

LOL

Ok... let me put it like this:

This is a bit simplistic, but it makes the point without getting into the engineering of the wafers...

Two race cars have the same horsepower engines and use the same body STYLE, tires, transmissions, fuel and ignition systems. Car #1 will beat car #2 if the track has more than two 38 degree bank turns. The opposite is true if the track has only two turns or the cars are run on a strait drag strip... WHY????

Well... there are several reasons. Believe it or not, even something as simple as 5-7 pounds of air pressure in the tires @ the speed those cars travel can make a HUGE difference in how efficient the car is on the track. The suspension system of the cars are tweaked differently and there are counterbalances and weights added to race cars for centrifugal force and aerodynamic physics

[ctjoyce]

Just thought I would present you guys with these few tid bits.

AMD 4600+ AM2 costs $575
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... tegory=343

Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 costs $530
http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdo ... i=2771&p=6

AM2 Socket Mobo costs $230 for top of the line
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... &maxPrice=

Intel 975X motherboard costs $240 for the same ASUS board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi ... &maxPrice=


So we have the top of the line normal Conroe pitted against the mid range AM2 processer, and its better on all fronts. Say what you like, but I really think that this one is going to intel. Also AMD has had their launch for this year. Their not putting anything else out processer wise according to their press. They are now going to focous on Torenzo and 4x4 to compete with intel's VIIV

Cheers
Cameron