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Re: How to build a computer

Postby ctjoyce » Sun Apr 16, 2006 10:35 pm

@ Congo: I'm not really that sure about how much work they actually do. I do know that I was able to get a higher overclock out of them after installing, however I haden't really tested before hand, so I'm not sure how much better I could get them. However I will say they have alot more surface area then the corsair ones that came with, and they look much better too.

@ James: I agree. We already had that almost happen with Candle, and I dont want that to happen again. I just want to warn you that I'm a 16 year old boy, so I have my moments :(

@ Caveman: Any time man. I really made this for everyone, but it was you who got me to just do it. And I thank you for that.

Anyone who wants the orrigional copy I can RAR it and e-mail / upload it to a FTP for you.

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Re: How to build a computer

Postby congo » Mon Apr 17, 2006 12:23 am

Anyone who wants the orrigional copy I can RAR it and e-mail / upload it to a FTP for you.



Ah, now here is a useful tip, any tutorial or anything that may be intended for novice PC users should be zipped rather than RAR'd because the Winrar installation will likely cause the novice to:

1. have no idea why he can't view the file....

2. cause them to become Winrar aware and need to download the Winrar software and install it.....

3. they will most likely lose zip and other compression formats to winrar and then be absolutely baffled as to how to re-instate them, let alone figure out how to use the utility.

Winrar takes a little bit of intuitive brainwork to figure out, despite it's close similarity in the user interface to Winzip. But for a user of hidden zip folders within the XP OS, this is going to freak them out.

The enthusiast knows that Winrar is a superior compression utility but since WinXP has brought us inbuilt compression routines that read zip extensions, the novice may not be aware of the implications of installing Winrar.

Unless, of course it's your intention to educate the masses on Winrar.    ;)
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby ctjoyce » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:03 am

Well might as well. I have educated them on how to build a computer, probibly should show them how to use it too.

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Re: How to build a computer

Postby kipman725 » Mon Apr 17, 2006 1:12 am

I couldn't watch the videos, I have a reasonable ADSL connection but nowhere near enough bandwidth to make the video viewable.

I kept it going for ten minutes or so and saw the first minute of the clip, it looked great and I thought it was a fine effort.

Is there a way I can download it so I can watch it? I couldn't see an option other than just having it stream from the linked website.

There is at least twice as much surface area on ram heatsinks as there is on the chips themselves, but how efficient they are is a matter of design and fitting methods.

Personally, I found that with active cooling, my ram is better off with the heatsinks fitted, due to more efficient heat dissipation at high specs.

Ram heatsinks are certainly something to be wary of. Mine were installed very poorly using thermal tape instead of thermal compound. The tape was removed and I needed to carefully align (bend) the heatsinks for correct contact ensuring good connection between the chips and the heatsinks.

I would imagine that most ram that has heatsinks fitted would be no better off with them, and indeed may heat up more, but this is completely dependant on the ram/heatsinks in question and the fitting method/efficiency.



yeah heatspreaders are different to an actual heatsink I personaly have bits of choped up p2 cooler thermal epoxied top my ram... keeps it cooler but hasn't increased the max clock speed.
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby congo » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:04 am

Well, heatspreaders is what I have technically I suppose, same as in my signature.

I do get stability at higher Ram voltages-speeds with the spreaders in place as opposed to not having them, but this is only true when the ram was tested under actively cooled conditions, ie. a fan was blowing over them. I did not get the same result when no active cooling was used, or at least I can't remember it. I spent a good part of a day experimenting with the different configurations.

BTW.... I got 286mhz stable with these modules at 2.9v Vram, if that's anything to crow about.
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby kipman725 » Mon Apr 17, 2006 4:27 am

On the question of heatspreader effectivness I have found the artical corsair did on the difference they make. :D

"Corsair XMS PRO cast aluminum heat spreader 254 MHz
Corsair XMS stamped aluminum heat spreader 253 MHz
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby ctjoyce » Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:11 pm

Well like I have said in the past, you can use sticks such as Patriot, Crucial, etc for lower end builds. However when you get into the high end overclocking and high stress Sticks like Corsair XMS, OCZ Platnum, and Crucial Balistics are going to be what you want.

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Re: How to build a computer

Postby kipman725 » Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:06 pm

Well like I have said in the past, you can use sticks such as Patriot, Crucial, etc for lower end builds. However when you get into the high end overclocking and high stress Sticks like Corsair XMS, OCZ Platnum, and Crucial Balistics are going to be what you want.

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ahh here we have a differance in the epectations in overclocking.  Mine is "how can I get the best value for money posible" wheras yours is "how can I get the most speed out of my components?".  Although cheap patriot was one of the first with DDR2 1000mhz and make some pretty sweet ram.  I suppose it all depends on the amount of money you have to spend on computers, I have a resnoble amount but prefer to have many computers instead of just the one uber rig.
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby Delta_ » Thu Apr 20, 2006 9:13 am

Crucial is very good ram at a low cost.  It is not for overclocking significantly.  I use Crucial and have tightened the timings to 2,2,2,5 and it runs very happily at these settings.  ;)
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby caveman16 » Sat Apr 22, 2006 7:53 am

     Hey Fighting Falcon,     In answer to  "when " I  build  my PC - - -   ASAP ,    perhaps in a week or so .    I've read much at how to do it with pictures,  etc.    Not nervous anymore as I was earlier.   I know  I can get all the help I need right here.   I "tinker"  a lot with anything   - - - that has helped me much also .  [ Keeps me from trying to put round pegs into square holes too often ]    ;D   I often lose interest if the challenge isn't there so I find this "new area" exciting.

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Re: How to build a computer

Postby Hai Perso Coyone? » Sat Apr 22, 2006 2:58 pm

Amazing video Cameron.... :o :o

Wireless tools ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby caveman16 » Tue May 09, 2006 12:13 pm

    Hi Cameron  

    I've been having all kinds of problems with my PC  and now I'm getting them straightened out.   I "cleaned out " the PC and did a reformat/re-install of Win XP plus a few other programs - - -  not many.

     As I've said earlier, - - - there's no "give-up"  in me.   I was able to watch and study the videos you made to help me in assembling my new PC.  

    I'm re-doing my entire PC "area"  before starting the "build" .    Some desktop space needed and obtained.      Will start very soon now.   Will re-view the videos  a few more times before starting.

    That was a lot of work making those videos.    Thanks again.   {  Hey - - -  also good to " SEE " whose helping me  ].  

    Very  Appreciative,         caveman
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Re: How to build a computer

Postby ctjoyce » Tue May 09, 2006 7:37 pm

Hey man no problem. If you need any more video tutorials just give a shout, and I'll break out the digicam.

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