PCI-E or AGP?

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Re: PCI-E or AGP?

Postby GunnerMan » Sun Jan 01, 2006 12:16 am

Also I did buy BFG because I know their quality and I did talk to the RMA department and they were ready to rma my card no questions asked they didnt even ask if I overclocked it. The lifetime warrantee afaik is for any owner not just the purchaser making it a true lifetime warrantee.

Also Politcaly Incorect SLI is good and all but you screen looks no different from mine, maybe a few extra frame rates. I did actually look at some benchmarks out of curiosity to how 2 x 7800GT compared to 1 x 7800GTX and really the SLI setup only beat the single card by a few framerates. Saying a 7800GT is 300-350$ two of those is 600 -700$. A single 7800GTX is 450- 500$ A few extra frames for 100 - 200 extra... SLI in my view is like having dual cpus, in desktop that other cpu is prolly used about 5% of the time.
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Re: PCI-E or AGP?

Postby Politically Incorrect » Sun Jan 01, 2006 4:07 am

How do you know your screen looks no different? You haven't seen mine! LOL

I did actually look at some benchmarks out of curiosity to how 2 x 7800GT compared to 1 x 7800GTX and really the SLI setup only beat the single card by a few framerates.


Yeah but benchmarks are over rated anyway, they mean nothing, think about it unless your system is exactly the same as that they benched then you won't see numbers even close. And also reading a benchmark or review on a item at a site that also advertises for the same they test are most cetain to write a biased review.  
As said earlier you must physically see it to belive it, a web page and some bar graphs mean nothing. and by a few FPS means 30-50 FPS on some games and more on others  then yes sLI is a "little"  better ;)


Saying a 7800GT is 300-350$ two of those is 600 -700$. A single 7800GTX is 450- 500$ A few extra frames for 100 - 200 extra..


And saying that you will be spending maybe $150 less for one 7800 GTX than for 2 7800 GTs, doesn't make much sense, since the GTX is the same thing as the GT just that it is factory overclocked, something you can easily do with the GT and then some ;)
So why pay more money for one card when you can get two and overclock them more than the GTX ?

SLI in my view is like having dual cpus, in desktop that other cpu is prolly used about 5% of the time.


You obviously have been mis informed on more than video cards, think of it like this,

You running a hungry application, basically any newer pc game for example, or flight sim take your pick, what do you think will give better performance? a one lane highway for all the traffic to flow on or a multi-lane highway?
Obviously the highway with more lanes will have traffic moving faster, the same works with dual core and sLI, you aren't limited to the flow of one lane.

With the dual core processor the workload is divided evenly between both cores, same goes with the sLI , if you can find someone with a dual core and sLI setup and take a close look at it, reading benchmarks won't allow you to see the benefits and it isnt all about frames ;) there is a lot more than just frames that come out of a setup like this.
Performance, speed etc is all part of it not just a frame rate number ;)
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Re: PCI-E or AGP?

Postby Gary R. » Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:25 am

While it's nice to have the best of the best, one thing that people afflicted with frame rate OCD always forget is how the human visual cortex functions and in so doing they feel compelled to spend spend spend.  This is why hardware is and will continue to be over-priced.  We humans can only percieve 24 FPS.  Any less than that will be noticed although in my own experiments it wasn't really that evident to me until the rate dipped down into the teens, less evident during flight than on the ground taxi and such.  If one has a PC that will give 30 plus with everything turned up all the way AND running complex planes while at a busy airport area what more does one need?  Your visual cortex cannot percieve the difference between 24FPS and 80 FPS.  It's also un-realistic as well.  Life moves at 24FPS for us, not 80.  That's why motion pictures run at 24FPS.  Hollywood knew that years ago already and they aren't typically too bright out there.  Why burn money on things that can't logically make a difference in your sim experience other than to be able to brag???
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Re: PCI-E or AGP?

Postby GunnerMan » Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:40 am

I know my screen looks no different
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Re: PCI-E or AGP?

Postby AnGeL_MaKeR » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:47 pm

OK... I just picked up a Giga-byte GA-K8N PRO-SLI mtherboard...
http://www.giga-byte.com/Motherboard/Products/Products_GA-K8N%20Pro-SLI.htm
...from a local comp store and the store clerk explained to me how MSI cards were better than BFG cards due to better longevity in business as well as products.
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Re: PCI-E or AGP?

Postby GunnerMan » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:36 pm

I disagree, MSI makes OK motherboards I would not not expect the best to come from them. Again BFG offers a no strings lifetime warrantee all you need to know is where it was purchased from and your golden. I have owned a 6800Ultra, a 7800GTX and build computers with 7800GTX all from BFG. I have yet to ever have a problem with them. I talked to the rma department because we thought a card died but infact the mobo did. I have heard they even use ArticSilver5 on the core but I can't confirm this. BFG has proven itself amoung overclockers and gamers alike, a croud that is fairly unforgiving to bad companys. I do not think I will ever use another company there is just somethin about em that you know you have a quality product.

But IMHO MSI would not make a better card. They are not a top motherboard maker and are not a primary video card maker. BFG does make other products but their highlight is video as is XFX, eVga etc etc.

Also I have not read much about BFG motherboards but I think I would rather buy an MSI over their motherboard and I would buy an ASUS over that. My current board is DFI though.
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Re: PCI-E or AGP?

Postby AnGeL_MaKeR » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:43 am

That's how I feel too... The present card I have installed, is my second and BFG didn't have a problem replacing my original, a BFG GeForce 6800 GT which I think succombed to a power surge... (I live in the lightning capitol of the world... Central Florida). BFG had me up and running again within 2 weeks using the help of FedEX.
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