YEEEEEEEE...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

[NicksFXHouse]

ATi and AMD fanboys how f***ed you are. YAY! AMD AND ATi JOIN FORCES!!!! But goodbye to SLi for you. Oh and have we also thought that mabe Intel and nVidia are in talks ? We are going to see how this plays out, but I had a long conversation with a lot of my friends last night and we figured that AMD and ATi knew they wouldn't stay alive alone, so they joined forces to try and stay aflote.

Cheers
Cameron

PS: oh almost forgot, I was so outraged at the thought of owning a AMD part, that my eVGA 7900GT will be here on thursday.

Hmmmm... I am not a fanboy of either. I will buy whatever is best.

You are incorrect about ATI and AMD were looking for ways to "stay afloat". Thats just silly. One had 5+ billion to spend (4.2 billion of that in CASH) and pleanty in reserve and the other was worth at least that much. Both AMD and ATI are well established and were not going anywhere Cameron.

[wealthysoup]

ATi and AMD fanboys how f***ed you are. YAY! AMD AND ATi JOIN FORCES!!!! But goodbye to SLi for you. Oh and have we also thought that mabe Intel and nVidia are in talks ? We are going to see how this plays out, but I had a long conversation with a lot of my friends last night and we figured that AMD and ATi knew they wouldn't stay alive a lone, so they joined forces to try and stay aflote

PS: oh almost forgot, I was so outraged at the thought of owning a AMD part, that my eVGA 7900GT will be here on thursday.

Since amd had a better processor for gaming for quite some time before intel released their conroe processors id guess that they are saving something up for when dx10 is released and will have not only a dx10 graphics card but a processor to rival conroes and
possibly hopefully the ability to have a gpu and cpu system with no bottle necks as nick said (MAYBE they'll design certain cards for certain speeds of their processor to eliminate bottlenecks, e.g. high end card for fx60 and lower as processor performance decreases) although at the moment its all speculation. Personally at the minute i think it should be intel thats worried about the future and not ati or amd since intel have a smaller target market (amd makes profit from cpus and gpus now instead of just cpus)

P.s. Cameron did you not think that the reason amd released an inferior processor to intel was  perhapsbecause they were saving their money to buy ati and have a longer term plan than having 1 good processor.

pps. Why do you get so annoyed about other people liking amd when your quite obviously an intel fanboy yourself?

ppps. no offence intended for anybody, im just stating my opinion

[NicksFXHouse]

Both Intel and Nvidia knew about the acquisition. That type of information does not remain secret for very long. If I knew about the possibility of it in March, I would assume those who are highly connected (all the way to the top) would have gotten wind of it last year. I was told today the talks for the deal started around May of 2005 so this has been in the works for over a year.  

What this means is that AMD now has the ability to produce a complete computer on one wafer. That will probably not effect the high end graphics market as much as you would think however in order for Intel to keep up they will either have to acquisition their own graphics division or bow to AMD for support in ATI cards and products. Intel bows to no one and that is their greatest weakness in my opinion.  

I was told ATI will continue to work with Intel for now however the word will come down from the top @ AMD that Intel will no longer be getting any ATI support at which point AMD will be working with ATI to produce streamlined CPU-chipsets-GPU. I strongly suspect the 2nd generation of DX10 will bring forth ATI to the level of Nvidia, or take over the market.

Nvidia is not stupid which means in order to squeeze as much out of Intel as possible, Nvidia will hold out from any Intel attempts to merge or control. That can work for Nvidia and against them. If AMD-ATI is successful with future ventures then Intel will have no choice but to pay Nvidia

[legoalex2000]

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Both Intel and Nvidia knew about the acquisition. That type of information does not remain secret for very long. If I knew about the possibility of it in March, I would assume those who are highly connected (all the way to the top) would have gotten wind of it last year. I was told today the talks for the deal started around May of 2005 so this has been in the works for over a year.

[NicksFXHouse]

I was gonna say, instead of any hope of and Intel/nvidia merge, intel could go their own route. they already create graphics cards, more intergrated than not. But with the resources they have, it could be a possibility of intel thinking about grabbing a spot in the graphics market. other than the fact they wold be up against familiar big competition, i don't see a reason why they shouldn't.

*note*
this is my opinion, and also to poke at you nick to see your response

Ramos

Poke?

LOL  ;D

Intel tried to do that 4-5 years ago,.,. the project failed. Intel lost a huge chunk of money on that project. That is where their motherboard graphics processor came from. Thier technology would not work and meet/keep up with the demand.

I only have one question though... can you point me to the COMPLETE Intel GPU that is created in house (be careful now, I said in house) which has full DX9 (and now DX10) capabilities and that has been successfully marketed and is well received by those who demand video technology?

One example will do.

If you can point me to one, is the cost of that solution reasonable and does it come with the typical Intel butt-duck threat if the customer decides to look elsewhere for a better price or performer Intel will remove all their support in the business?

AMD just took away Intel

[legoalex2000]

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Poke?

LOL

[congo]

All we need now is someone to come along and do this to Microsoft.

We don't even need that really, all we need is a truly basic OP Sys with DX10 support, but now that DX is in the hands of MS and embedded into Vista, that's not ever likely.

The fact that all gaming development (for all practical purposes on universally compatible systems) is now dependant on MS runtimes, is a situation I abhore. This could set the gaming world into a single tangent rather than allowing natural development and evolution of gaming to occur.

[NicksFXHouse]

if you don't like *poke*, i could *prod* you instead...

Ramos

[NicksFXHouse]

We don't even need that really, all we need is a truly basic OP Sys with DX10 support, but now that DX is in the hands of MS and embedded into Vista, that's not ever likely.

The fact that all gaming development (for all practical purposes on universally compatible systems) is now dependant on MS runtimes, is a situation I abhore. This could set the gaming world into a single tangent rather than allowing natural development and evolution of gaming to occur.

It may be possible to hack elements of DX10 out of vista and move them to XP which may enable the feature but at best would only provide limited support. Without full support which includes the core elements that cannot be merged, I do not see anyone wasting their time attempting the hack, nor do I see anyone risking their XP install to a DX merge attempt.

The PC gaming industry and market are not the only areas forced to use M$. Gaming, although large and gaining, is not the multi-billion dollar money making part of the PC or software market for M$ but because it has become a respected part of the market, M$ is going to do what Intel does and control it.