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The Bf109 and Fw190 in the game are just pathetic compared to the top allied fighters, especially the Spitfire and Tempest.

really?? i don't notice that... infact i love the FW190 and BF109 becouse there preformance. i believe no planes ever sucked, each plane is known for it's good and bad points, infact i don't like flying the P-51, it's sluggish, but i bet there be alot of pilots out there that like it, and fly it alot better then me. in the end it all depends on the pilot's skills, abilitys, and how they fly that plane.
now see your good at flying british planes so that is your skill ,

cheers, daniel

An FW190 is one of the few AC's
that could out fly a later model
ZERO!! Fact!!

X

Good planes take good pilots...

Then I don't get it.  The AI pilots immediately take a Spitfire into a climbing turn.  If I try to follow in a Fw-190, I just stall all over the place.  They run rings around me.  I just did some more testing, and the game's Bf-109 isn't bad, but the Fw-190 is just horrible!  It stalls nearly 100 mph faster than any other pane!  That's the main thing. It cannot come close to matching the Spitfire, or P-51, or anything else.  I don't see how this is realistic.
And it's not just me.  AI pilots flying any other plane rip the 190's to shreds.

Yeah, I've noticed that the AI doesn't really seem to stall, I flew straight up on a 262 and a P-55 stalled at the same altitude as me.

[quote]Then I don't get it.

Try going with a slightly lighter load of fuel in the 190, it seems to have the same problems as the 51. So yes it is quite realistic.

Ozzy

Personally, I find the issue to be a combination of things.
 One, I don't find the planes to be all that realistic. I think Microsoft has tailored the flight models for a wider market.  Either that, or I'm the worlds greatest ace with over 500 kills without being shot down on my longest quick mission win streak...lol  Not all in one sitting of course.
Two, I tend to agree with those who say they've noticed superior performance from AI aircraft, though there are tricks to counter, such as not following the AI up sometimes. It quite often comes back down on its own in the same manuver.
 Three, all though i find it true in a sense that good planes take good pilots, I also find that good planes also sometimes make bad pilots look good. Some would argue that the making of the adverage ace has something to do with the luck of a pilot in his marriage to a particular plane that compliments his abilities and techniqe, and vise versa, with the classic all round any plane ace being a rare gem.   Without knowing anything of your personal abilities, whiskey, perhaps your skills and techniqe are more suited to allied planes.
 I personally excell in the Bf-109 myself, much prefering having my guns clustered in front of me rather than spread out upon my wings, and though i do well in planes such has the tempest, I acheive most of my kills through a higher accuracy rate in a 109.
 That's my two cents.......

Just remember that stalling has nothing to do with airspeed!  It's to do with the angle of attack.  If the angle is too small, not enough air will be pushed over the wing to create a lower pressure here, so no lift is formed.  When at a correct angle and speed...say 100 knots and 10 degrees up....air is being pushed over the wings at a lower pressure than below the wings and the high pressure air rises, forming lift.  At too great an angle, the AoA is too great to form lift, therefore you stall, no matter what your airspeed is.

Maybe the Spitfire's wing shape creates mre lift at low speeds, I don't know...but I do know the P-51 was never a great wing shape for creating lift at low speeds.

i kick butt in the 109
the 190 aint for dogfighting she is for bomber killing and ground support. i always start to climb towards enemy then run back to the deck. then stay near the ground
i love topedoe in ships. but that tempest is a beast wow what a kiling machine

imo, what it comes down to is If used right and In the hands of a skilled pilot, any aircraft can be a killer machine.

any aircraft can be a killer machine.

in that case i'll hop into my sopwith camel and intercept a f/a-18

j/ks

in a way it would be very difficult for an F-18 to shoot down a camel:) almost impossible to get a heat seaking lock, a radar lock wouldnt be possible, and guns would be difficult as the stall speed of the hornet has to be faster than top speed of a camel:) all it would have to do is wait for the hornet to over shoot then fire guns quickly certainly would be interesting:)

I just spotted this. Regarding the comments on the Fw 190. This was considered one of the best fighters in the European theatre in WW2.

Kurt Tank's Wurger (Butcher Bird) was Germanys most potent piston-powered World War II fighter When the Fw 190A entered combat in the summer of 1941. It immediately outclassed the Spitfire V, which appeared sluggish and outdated by comparison. From that time on, in spite of some severe problems with the BMW 801 engine, the 190 kept even or ahead of Allied fighters through successive versions.

I don't have CFS3 installed but copied this from the CFS3 Insider site. The A-5 & A-8 variants featured in CFS3 were commonly used as fighter-bombers.

When the Fw 190 entered service in 1941, it quickly proved to be an outstanding fighter: small and fast, tough and responsive, highly maneuverable and well armed, it helped many a novice fighter pilot become an ace.

One proof of the 190's superior design was its ability to carry numerous equipment and armament combinations while continuing to provide excellent performance.

The 190 did have its drawbacks: its less-than-stellar rate of climb, vicious stall behavior, and reduced performance above 20,000 feet were the price one paid for its otherwise potent performance. The A-5 model, which entered combat early in 1943, moved the engine forward 5.9 inches to improve cooling and restore the center of gravity with increased armament; numerous variants were equipped with mission-specific accessory kits.

At the end of 1943 the A-8 entered service, again in numerous mission-specific variants. The 190 proved so versatile and effective as a fighter-bomber that this thoroughbred was chosen to replace the plow horse of the Luftwaffe, the lumbering and highly vulnerable Stuka dive-bomber.
In-service dates: A-5:early 1943; A-8: late 1943.

PS. Whitey. Stalling (conventional stall) has everything to do with airspeed. The high-speed stall, which I think you're referring to, is usually caused by pulling too much G in a turn.