CFS3 is a joke

[Woodlouse2002]

Ok.. I forgive you for the 45mmcannon thing... My mistake...

And farewell... I enjoyed the battle of wits. I hope to wits you again sometime.

[ozzy72]

Okay guys, well I've deleted my offending post, and would like to apologise to you. I just had these horrible visions on another war breaking out between the respective camps on CFS3. A case of leaping before I looked if you know what I mean....

When you say "respective camps on CFS3" I presume you mean the ones who think it's has been pretty much a failure in many areas and the ones who live on another planet.

Please, before I am howled down. j/k j/k j/k j/k j/k  ;D

[ozzy72]

Don't worry Brensec I live on that planet too. I find IL-2 is awful for flying, maybe its why my joystick packed up... But I quite enjoy CFS3. So does my wife as it means she has the remote and can watch what she likes on TV!

Mark

[ozzy72]

I know what you mean Ozzy.

Sharon likes the aspect of me not being "under foot".

We solved the "remote" problem years ago, I have the TV in the loungeroom and she has the one in the bedroom. She has the dvd connected to hers and i have the vcr on mine and we both have Foxtel cable.

The only thing we have to share is HER P.C.

Gees we are all geared up for some real solid watchin', aren't we?  ;D

[ozzy72]

You're way more organised than us. We've got 1 TV, the VCR has just packed up (along with my joystick! PANIC), and we don't even own a DVD player.
Oh and we're about to move to an area with no cable TV yet. So I have Hungarian TV and radio for my information. Thank God for the internet!

Mark

[sherman batman]

Medium Bombers, especially the B-26, rarely flew in "bomber streams" that was a British Heavy tactic.  Marauders flew low and fast to knock out specific point targets, Bridges, power plants, etc,  They loved moonlit nights  which the Germans referred to as "Marauder  weather".

I am truly disappointed in CFS-3 because it is so lacking in historical reality.  It is more of a "crimson skies" format rather than historical.  There are so many anti-shipping missions that you would think you were campaigning against the US or GB rather than Germany.  Also single engine fighter bombers were rarely used on anti-shipping missions.In 1943 Fighter Bomber definetly were not attacking industrial targets that was a job for the heavies.  In the RAF the Bristol Beaufighter was the designated ship-killer until the advent of the DH  mosquito when it  had to share the effort with this great plane. You (the player) are restricted to flying the P-47D "Razorback" in all USAF campaigns but can fly the later model P-47D with the bubble canopy in single combat missions. The gunsight on the P-47D has a structural member running through the center of the gunsight making it extremely hard to hit your target.  Also the perfromance parameters of the P-47D are all wrong, the aircraft flies like the "proverbial ruptured duck" at altitude exceeding 5-8ooo feet  when , in fact, it was the best performing fighter the US had at altitute.
They  (MS)  has the P-47D carrying 1,000 lb bombs in 1942  something the aircraft was not fitted for until 1944. The P-47 fighter pilots association website has some really interesting information concerning this aircraft from the pilots who flew them in combat.  The aircraft performed much better than MS allows it to perform in their game.

Also American tracer ammunition is red not silver. green, or white but RED.  on the other hand Germ  and Russian (later Soviet Bloc) used silver/green tracers.  This is a small thing but MS should get it right  if they are going to produce a Combat Flight Simulator.

I have one more comment reference to combat damage.  I can get on an opponents six and fire my whole "basic load" of ammjunition into him and see hits, parts flying off, etc, and he still doeasn't go down.  However, an opponent can ( very rarely, of course) get on my six  fire a two second burst and utterly devastate my plane, kill me  and RTB. Also German Bombers were mainly armed with Rifle caliber machine guns yet I have been shot down from 1-1500 yards -- I don't think a Rifle caliber MG (7.9mm) could do this much damage to a P-47 from that Range or for that matter closer ranges.  

I have so many complaints but I wont take up anymore of your time except to say ; CFS-3 SUCKS!

[Oso]

Yes - there are a lot of things about it that reek.  So did CFS2, I'll bet. But you guys have been tweaking, tuning and modifying so much of it over  the years that you pretty much have a custom made game. The same will happen to CFS3 or the new one coming out this summer.

CFS3 and FS2002 are the only flight Sims I have, having lost my copy of "Aces Over The Pacific" some years back. And I have heard that CFS2 has been yanked from the market.

So - let's figure out a way to make it do what we want!

[ozzy72]

You're way more organised than us. We've got 1 TV, the VCR has just packed up (along with my joystick! PANIC), and we don't even own a DVD player.
Oh and we're about to move to an area with no cable TV yet. So I have Hungarian TV and radio for my information. Thank God for the internet!

Mark

I'm real sorry mate. If your situation was to hit me, I would be a candidate for the funny farm. Just so I could get the use of their TV facilities.................lol.

Seriously, because I'm not all that mobile, I probably tend to be too much of a TV/ Movie addict, but I suppose there are worse things. I do learn alot from the Movies and doco's and specials.

Saw a History Channel Doco on the WWII DUKW. You wouldn't think an hour about a floating truck would be interesting, but I was rivetted.  

[ozzy72]

I haven't spent much time in CFS3 as I can only use it on the office P.C. but I do agree with alot that's being said with regard to realism. (It's a pretty foregone conclusion that many have issues with the performance of the game).

M$ seem to have this idea that the P47 handled like a wet sock at 20,000 ft, because that's the situation in CFS1 also. They have it handling well on the deck (heavy.....but well), but you seem to have little control at altitude. The reality was the complete opposite.

As for the shipping misions. They do seem to be the most important in terms of number and their value in points. In reality, especially in the channel, where this Sim is mainly played out from the beginning, German shipping presence in the channel was negligable. Why would they need to have been their any way, except for sub's maybe. They had no need to transport up and down the channel, they had a distinct disadvantage in air strength at this time. Why are all the ships there? It's crap.

[ozzy72]

I think there are so many shipping missions at the beginning of the campaign as its meant to be Germany is preparing for Operation Sealion. So logically that is correct. Personally I quite enjoy them, although my bombing skills in a Spit still need some work

Ozzy

[Smoke2much]

I have to agree with an earlier comment that CFS3 is unrealistic.  It does have the ability to be programmed to make it much, much better.  I am currently working on writing my own missions for it.  I am having some probs but I am getting there.

The level at which you fly can be altered by anyone who has notepad on their computer, infact every facet of the game can be altered as all of the config files for the game are written in reasonably plain english and it does not take a great deal of effort to understand them.  I have modified the Mosquito Mk IV to carry a torpedo, it is a cheat but there you go.

I believe that not only was the graphics engine a beta version but so was the campaign.  I am currently working on ways of improving this facet of the game as I get so bored with constant anti shipping missions in planes that simply weren't designed to do it.

And Ozzy, Operation Sealion 1941, CFS3 1943.  The battle of britain was fought to avert the danger of a German invasion of the British Isles.  I have personally destroyed more German merchant ships in the English channel than ever existed in reality from 1939-1945.

I think that we will see CFS3 move forward when people start putting in the effort to release addons.  No one is working on addons as no one who can do them likes the game.  This will become a catch22, no addons-no interest-no addons.

Am I making sense?

it is 01.20 here and I want to sleep.

arrrrrrrrrrgh!!!!!!!!!!!

Will

[lord_flasheart]

that makes complete sense, i'm glad i'm not alone in thinking this way about cfs3

[Sherman Batman]

 
Well, I am certainly pleased to see that some of you agree with me about this game.

I have flown several missions as a German in the FW-190 & BF 109 both of these aircraft perform better than the P-47D at altitude which was not the case in WWII.  All MS had to do was check with the Thunderbolt Fighter Pilots Assoc. on the web and they would have learned something about this great airplane.  Also they have it carrying 1,000 lb. bombs in 1943  when, in fact, if first carried 1,000 pdrs. in 1944.  I also have a problem ( I am a pilot with over 3,000 logged hours) with not being able to hold the nose of the aircraft (CFS 1,2 & 3) when lining up for a deflection shot  or when coming up directly astern the EA.  Also I have a problem with JU88, Betty's, HE 111's, Nells, and other two engined bombers that have the performance characteristics of single engine fighters. I have alreaady stated my unhappiness with the defensive machine guns carried by these aircraft.  One in particular is the Betty which had a 20 mm in the tail gun position.  It was a very slow firing gun and lacked range and was therefore not very effective MS has it blowing off my engine, wings, etc at 1500 yards. I know there are no Betty's in CFS 3 but I just had to mention this  20 mm.

During the period 1914 through 1945 German UBoats sank over 8,000 allied/neutral ships on the High Seas and in the English Channel.  I have alrerad sunk that many and they still keep coming.

Maybe they will issue a CFS 5 that will be historically accurate, and prepared by someone who has read something about WWII  and done some real research on the subject.  Fat Chance!

[Professor Brensec]

Sherman,

I'm no officionado when it comes to CFS3. I haven't had oportunity to spend more than 20 hours actually playing the game but I think, aside from the obvious performance problems and complaints, there is also an inherent lack of research having been done on the part of M$. All part of an obvious rush to get it out. WHY!?

As for some of the AI planes in CFS2 performing and maneuvring way past their historical capabilities, this has been a very often reported/berated problem with the Sim, particularly in these forums.
As for the Betty, it does seem to be a particularly vicious little piece of work in CFS2. I have learnt that historically that they were not a difficult plane to drop at all, but in the Sim, if you go within 500 or 600 yards you get shot to pieces.
But still, for what my opinion is worth, CFS2 is a far better game from a performance and historical point of view. At present, anyway.  ;D

[Bob S]

When I fly FS2002 is runs smooooooth as silk with everything to the max.  CFS3 runs like crap with less graphics  so why is that
And why the H they can get it right the first time beats me.   I hate to call it a joke but I'm not happy with it.