cfs3 or PF

[GOZR]

Ok lets take a sample of a plane  lets say the ya9U.
fact are that i know that plane pretty well i would say.

And I own both sims.
even if in both sims this plane is incorrect the yak 9 of Il2 is by-- far-- better than the cfs3.
Since the released of track ir for cfs3 compability, this sims got a new revival for shure but still i can't fly on it... very hard for my mind and eyes.

[Woodlouse2002]

Who left the gates open at the Ubi-zoo?

Back to the water in PF's. It's all very well having different water's. But the smooth stuff looks like my bath, I'd like to see you find a sea like that in the Pacific, and the rough stuff, well, i've seen rougher puddles. Hardly the sort of stuff to make the bow of the ship go up and down 50-100 feet with each wave.

You make it nice and clear that the carriers pitch and roll. All I can say is "wow". CFS2 can do that. So nothing new there.

Also Whiskey Bravo, try looking for reflections when the sun's out. Doing it during a thunderstorm is akin to checking out your shadow on a cloudly night.

[Jakste]

cfs3 or PF is a wrong and false dilemma at the same time!

European Air War vs Rowan's Battle of Britain is the wright one to compare.

Like one of the previous posters keenly noted (beery), this crowd is blinded with chrome.


IL-2 series has non-existing campaign, poor fm modelling (changing every month), horrible interface, ungodly demanding on pc resources, zero immersivness - aside on-line fiddling on hyperlobby....

Again, EAW and Rowan's BoB!!!

   

[Woodlouse2002]

[quote]cfs3 or PF is a wrong and false dilemma at the same time!

European Air War vs Rowan's Battle of Britain is the wright one to compare.

Like one of the previous posters keenly noted (beery), this crowd is blinded with chrome.


IL-2 series has non-existing campaign, poor fm modelling (changing every month), horrible interface, ungodly demanding on pc resources, zero immersivness - aside on-line fiddling on hyperlobby....

Again, EAW and Rowan's BoB!!!

[AvHistory]

I prefer EAW but will see what the new version of R-BOB has to offer.

In EAW a very long 150 aircraft bomber steam of B-17 & B24's escorted by 50 P-51 & P47 being intercepted by 50 Fw-190 LN's & Bf-109's is still very impressive even after all this time.

BEAR

[Bearcat99]

Bear... those shots were in he sim while flying. I just hit pause.. jumped out of the cockpit... panned to the angle I wanted with my mouse and hit print screen. Im not sure what you mean by painted on.... the water undulates...... If you ever have to bail in the water and the seas are rough the water will undulate.. pitching your raft up and down..... that is at water 3.... I dont like to fly online at that setting as my FRs go to19-25..... I set my water to water 1 which looks better than the glassy water 2 IMO... the resoan the water in those other shots was so glassy is that the ship was not moving.. it was probably done on a DF or QM.

[Woodlouse2002]

I prefer EAW but will see what the new version of R-BOB has to offer.

In EAW a very long 150 aircraft bomber steam of B-17 & B24's escorted by 50 P-51 & P47 being intercepted by 50 Fw-190 LN's & Bf-109's is still very impressive even after all this time.

BEAR

Exactly. The BoB campaign, seeing a huge German Bomber stream, then having the call "german fighters 1 o'clock" coming over the radio then seeing a dozen specks come at you while two flights of your squardon peel off to the right... It's just like it's out of a movie or something.

[AvHistory]

Bear... those shots were in he sim while flying.  Im not sure what you mean by painted on....  

Hi B99,

I was referring to the plane not the water...you were talking about the polished skins in your post at UBI & I was asking if the skin reflects things real time or if the highlights are part of the planes paint.

BEAR

[Bearcat99]

Hi B99,

I was referring to the plane not the water...you were talking about the polished skins in your post at UBI & I was asking if the skin reflects things real time or if the highlights are part of the planes paint.

BEAR

Ahhhhh I m not sure.. a little of bioth I think.. I notice if I pause and pan with the sun directly on the plane I do see differences in th epaint depending on where I am oriented. But it isnt a full reflection like on the water.

[AvHistory]

B99,

This might clarify what I am saying if the movie works, had to do some major compression on it.

http://www.avhistory.org/movies/p51ref.avi

Notice how the Dolls skin reflects the red sunset as it rolls along with the gray clouds.

[BlakJakofSpades]

call me crazy bear, but it seems you try to find anything that's better in cfs3 and focus on that (skin reflections), or alternatively anything thats bad in PF (water). if proved wrong (water) you move onto your next thing (skin reflections) dismissing water as not all that important anyways.  Well are beautiful skin reflections (cfs3 has great ones) all that important to a combat flight sim? I say no, and pf has them although not to the same standard as cfs3 (and yes there is reflections beyond the painted on ones), but if you say that makes cfs3 such a greater sim or is even worth bringing up then anyone is entitled to their opinion i guess. yes, i escaped from my cage over at ubi and am here to cause havoc and mayhem, flame me please i deserve it.

[AvHistory]

[quote]call me crazy bear, but it seems you try to find anything that's better in cfs3 and focus on that (skin reflections), or alternatively anything thats bad in PF (water). if proved wrong (water) you move onto your next thing (skin reflections) dismissing water as not all that important anyways.

[AB_Mormac]

Hi Buds,First time poster here,have been simming for 5 years.I did enjoy CF1,CF2,Tryed CF3 and was very un happy with the game,seemed to go backwards in the  standards from the CF series.
I have been play IL2 series for about 3 years now and found the game very well done.I like the full cockpit mode ane the flight models.Oleg has kept the codes for the planes private,In three year online I have not heard the word Mod,or the word cheat.When I get shot down I know it is from a better player than me.Trust me IL2 series has some of the best pilots dogfighting you can find on line,and know it is skill not a code change.

[BlakJakofSpades]

sincere apology bear, i felt that you were the one going around baiting people but i realize that you are a (semi ) reasonable guy and i was writing more of my emotions than the facts of what u said in previous posts. i would agree that if from a far off distance u can see a glimmer of light off the bare metal from the angle of the sun it would add something to a flight sim but as far as i know cfs3 does not do this, nor does il2 feel free to correct me on that issue if need be.  I also agree great water isn't really a necessity but i still insist unless a polished aluminum skin gives you some kind of tactical disadvantage and your enemy an advantage, as you described, then it is just as irrelevant. Basically i think the issue here is you can't play with il2 the same you can tinker with cfs3. For full customizability cfs3 is certainly the way to go as you can make your own planes if you have the time, and there are countless downloads of planes, even make your own maps but as an il-2 player (who has also played cfs3, though admittedly not with firepower or the 1% AC) it is my opinion like others have stated the feeling of flight is there with il-2, not with cfs3. It's almost an intangable thing, but in my opinion il-2 has it. It seems to me just that little bit more realistic, something is just there you can't get with cfs3. to put it simply quality over quantity, which is oversimplified, but thats basically how i feel.

[Bearcat99]

Like I said... I havent seen them. Not that Ive been looking. All the skins I have seen in CFS3 look like Big Beautiful Doll.