CFS3 is a joke

[Woodlouse2002]

Ozzy. This is a debate in which no screaming has yet taken place so why threaten us with a key?

Flasheart, the medium bombers were included because in the last few years of the war medium bombers were used for pinpoint attacks of transportation links and other tactical targets.

And whitey. Even though I got bored of bomber I do know that it was only 1 raid so can you please explain how the rarley saw fighters? I know the main reason is because the nightfighters came from below and had upward firing guns etc. to avoid getting in the bombers field of fire.

I do realise that being in a bomber stream of well over 1000 aircraft would put the chances of being seen down to very small odds. Also is it that the bombers rarely saw the fighters or the other way round or both?

[BFMF]

My guess would be both

[Woodlouse2002]

Naa... On second thoughts is would be the Bombers not seeing the fighters...

The german night fighter defences had Ground radar, radios and aircraft radar to help them find the bomber stream...

[lord_flasheart]

sorry black zr1, but as i said in my 1st post cfs3 will go back on the shelf and i'll go back to il2, and that's just what i've done.

woodlouse, if the medium bombers are in cfs3 for precision attacks why do they drop their bombs when the leader does? you cant have it both ways.

by the way you mentioned shooting down a 6 engined bomber in il2 from 4 miles away and that i should try it,
which bomber was it and what fighter were you flying? i realy would like to try it for myself

[Woodlouse2002]

For your first question I don't know. But thats how it was done in the war so i'm happy.

the bomber was that 6 engined Me626? That big bugger. The fighter I think was a Lagg3 or Me109 I can't remember. Just remember that you gotta get the deflection just right but when your sure you can hit it fire a very short burst and see what happens. For me the enemy aircraft blew up completly. good luck.

[lord_flasheart]

you mean the me323? ok i'll give it a go.
also when you said 4 miles did you mean 4.oo on the aircraft label?

[ozzy72]

G'day Whitey,

I haven't seen you for what seems ages.

Hope yopur well and happy.  See ya round like a rissole.

[Whitey]

And whitey. Even though I got bored of bomber I do know that it was only 1 raid so can you please explain how the rarley saw fighters? I know the main reason is because the nightfighters came from below and had upward firing guns etc. to avoid getting in the bombers field of fire.

I do realise that being in a bomber stream of well over 1000 aircraft would put the chances of being seen down to very small odds. Also is it that the bombers rarely saw the fighters or the other way round or both?

Well, considering it said at the beginnng that they rarely ever saw fighters.  Although gunners would use to scream that they'd saw a fighter and the pilot would take evasive manouvers, but there was actually nothing there.

G'day Whitey,  

I haven't seen you for what seems ages.

Hope yopur well and happy.  See ya round like a rissole.

Awrite, Brensec...good to see you

What's a 'rissole'?

[ozzy72]

Awrite, Brensec...good to see you

What's a 'rissole'?

Ahh these language differences!!

I thought it was a word that was known in the UK, but I must be mistaken.

It's a meat pattie, hamburger, round peice of minced beef.

ie: "See ya 'round like a rissole."
same as: "Off like a brides nightie"

[lord_flasheart]

well woodlouse, i tried it.
all i can say is that it was just a lucky shot (if you did'nt dream it)
i could only hit it at 2.7km and i admit that i got lucky a couple of times, and even then ONLY on full magnification (which cannot be realistic can it?) :-/

as for 3 cannon shells, well that's perfectly possible eg a sinlge, well placed cannon shot from a p39 could bring down a fighter, so why not 3 for a bomber/transport etc?, as  cannon shells did explode on impact did'nt they?

[ozzy72]

Okay guys, well I've deleted my offending post, and would like to apologise to you. I just had these horrible visions on another war breaking out between the respective camps on CFS3. A case of leaping before I looked if you know what I mean....
Didn't mean to offend anyone, so I'll go and flog myself now with some birch twigs or something as penance.  :'(
Sorry, didn't mean to upset anyone or overstep the mark.

Mark (a chastened moderator)

[Woodlouse2002]

well woodlouse, i tried it.
all i can say is that it was just a lucky shot (if you did'nt dream it)  
i could only hit it at 2.7km and i admit that i got lucky a couple of times, and even then ONLY on full magnification (which cannot be realistic can it?)  

as for 3 cannon shells, well that's perfectly possible eg a sinlge, well placed cannon shot from a p39 could bring down a fighter, so why not 3 for a bomber/transport etc?, as  cannon shells did explode on impact did'nt they?

So it might have been a lucky shot but it would never have happened. In CFS3 you couldn't do that. I might have used some magnification but not to much. you see the gunsight had little dots on the crosshair so getting the deflection right was easy.

The 1 cannon shell thing was only if you hit the plane square in the engine. That meant that 4 cannon shells would take down a heavy bomber which means that 6 is the minimum for a Me323 would be 6. Either way is unrealistic.

Although gunners would use to scream that they'd saw a fighter and the pilot would take evasive manouvers, but there was actually nothing there.
 

Better safe than sorry.

[lord_flasheart]

luck exists in the real world as well as combat sims.
if a cannon shell explodes on impact, then 1, 2 or even 3 hits to a fuel tank, for example, would ignite  the fuel causing an explosion and bring down the plane, (in lots of pieces usualy). :-/

and dont forget that the p39, lagg3t, me109g had  a large calibre cannon availiable (37mm, 45mm, 30mm respectively) that would do a lot more damage than the 20mm cannon of p38's or spitfires for example, which is why you cant do it in cfs3. :-/

try it with p39 in cfs2, if you've made it flyable, it works there too, so it must have benn possible...right?

just one more thing have you read the testimonials on the 1st page of the il2 manual?

[Woodlouse2002]

The Me109 never had 45mm cannon. Thats huge and only needed for antitank and antiship work which the 109 didn't do.

I admit that 2 or 3 shells hitting the fuel tank would demolish a plane but the chances of that happening at that range are miniscule. Which still makes me think of it as highly unrealistic.

P.s. Forgotten battles is an expansion of the original game IL2. Its just that it has enough new features to make it a standalone game. It will still say expansion pack on the box.

[lord_flasheart]

if you look back at my previous post you'll see that i never said the 109 had a 45mm cannon, it was the lagg3t :-/
as for highly unrealistic i thaught i explained that aswell. :-/

well that's it, i've said more than i wanted to, more than once, and i refuse to be drawn any further into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent