cfs3 or PF

[AvHistory]

Nice Panther but you were wrong about 3.04 being the last patch/addon for FB/PF.

Y'all might want to read this part again:

""The content of the released patch 304 already had a 'good to go' when the decision not to do additional patches & add-ons beyond it was made  

Y'all may have forgotten that since it takes so long for them to get the patches out & because they are dribbling it out a small piece at a time with numbers like 303-304.  Famous Oleg Quote from a number of months back when PF was first released "Two weeks, be sure" ""

The fact that he is dribbling out the original patch which is funded a small piece at a time does not make 305 or whatever a 'new add-on' but just something you were promised last year but never got.

Additionally,  3.05 will not even have the rest of the planes and Maps needed to bring Pacific Fighter up to grade as promised. Most of the planes will dedicated to the European Theater.

There is no map yet done for this system that is wide enough to place two task forces at historical distances

That being said,  You will never get US or IJN battleships so you cant do a proper Pearl Harbor.  You will never get USN/IJN torpedo bombers or Yorktown class carriers so you cant do a proper Coral Sea or Battle of Midway . You will never get the B-17 or an adequate Solomon Islands map including Rabual or the northern PNG islands so you cant do a proper Guadalcanal campaign with the Tokyo Express running the slot.  You will never get the B-24 the most heavily use US bomber in the PTO.  You will never get Japanese BB,CV,CA,CL and DD's so you can't do a proper Battle of the Philippine Sea.  You will never get B-29's so you cant do Siapan/Tinian.  You will not get the Betty one of Japans mainstays throughout the war.  You will not get the B-25J "Hardnose" and the cannon armed B-25H for the Island hopping campaigns.  You will not get the F4U-4 or P-47N so you cant do a proper Battle for Oakinwa. You will never get Cribbage's PBY so all the people who contributed to it are out in the cold.  

One really has to wonder what kind of historical Pacific War can be simulated with all these missing parts.

BTW: IR track 6DOF will not be there either, but not to despair maybe the Val will finally get its hinomaru the F4F & A6M2 proper flight models  ;D

Its probably a good idea to re-read Oleg's last post to determine exactly what he is releasing to the world vs. what he is releasing on the 3CD's for Russian distribution.

BEAR

[joea]

Well congrats you are one of the rudest developers I have ever met in flight sim cyberspace dude. :-/ I myself have never insulted CFS3 et al, Bill Gates yea but he is not really involved with FS or CFS. Mathias is polite as well as talented and if I find CFS3 in the bargain bin might just pick it up for MAW until we get Oleg's version for the BoB series.

For you to spread insults and half-truths or outright lies like that really takes the cake and I intend to cancel my meberships for the second and final time.  Canceled it once but wanted to come back for my final word.

Ya all take care now, see you.

[AvHistory]

[quote]I intend to cancel my meberships for the second and final time.

[Da Judge]

First to judge the games well, buy both and test them on your system, the one you don't like, take back.

AvHistory: Where did you get the P-40B/C on your site?

[AvHistory]

First to judge the games well, buy both and test them on your system, the one you don't like, take back.

This might seem unfair but I get mine for free, have most all them on my system & see no real reason to take any off  ;)

AvHistory: Where did you get the P-40B/C on your site?

The AvHistory 1% Readme for the only P-40 on site says:

P-40F-10 WARHAWK

This aircraft was built by Gregory SARGE Pierson & Jerry SPARKS Beckwith using version 2.82.98 of the AvHistory 1% Assembly Line process.  It is based on the Mike Wholaver's excellent P-40F visual textured by Dan Swart as "Lighthouse Louie" of the 325th FG  "The Checkertail Clan".  The nose art depicts the successful destruction of a Lighthouse by this aircraft.  Graham also assisted in the planes development.   Mikes original readme has been included in this download package.

BEAR

[rastadudio]

i have
FS 2004
CFS 3
PF

FS 2004 is really great
PF is really great

but  CFS 3 is UGLY !!! im really disappointed , the graphics are terreble

[Smoke2much]

Can one of the Mod's PLEASE lock this topic.  It's dull, repetative and completely pointless.  Those who like CFS3 will never agree with those who love PF or any other Ubisoft product.  Why don't we just all agree to shut up about it?

Will

[mongoose44]

But it's quite obvious from the length of this post that people LOVE IT
BTW I can't agree about CFS3 graphics. Having ju dst got  FB/AEP/PF, I think CFS3 graphics are at least as good if not better.
One can't compare out of the box CFS3 with the current one with all the add ons; any more than the original IL2 with the current one.

[AvHistory]

[quote]Can one of the Mod's PLEASE lock this topic.

[Smoke2much]

Mongoose and Bear,

Gentlemen I stand corrected.

Will

[AvHistory]

No Problem Will,

I know these threads can be a real pain in the butt for some people

Best solution rather then locking them up (unless they get into name calling etc) IMHO is just to skip over them & save on blood pressure medication.

Generally the gladiators in the arena of ideas enjoy the give and take of the debates & on rare occasions a golden nugget of info has been known to fall out for the benefit of everybody.

BEAR

[flyingbullseye]

Well I would like to put my two cents worth in this though I am new here.  I have FB through PF and got to a point where I became so irratated that I uninstalled it and just go with CFS 3 as far as the ETO goes, I will mention why farther down.  
PF good points:
-detailed planes inside and out
-water looks good on high end CPU and cards
-lots of planes to start out with
-working bombsight
-updated PTO sim finally(CFS 2 was good and still is)
-patches keep updating the sim
-ground detail is good at high and low alt
-cities and towns well done
-vapor trails exist though are a little weak
-lots of opportunities to play online

PF bad points:
-stall characteristics are violent and all go into a flat spin
-BnZ tactics are mostly negated with the FM game engine
-AI is capable of maneuvers not realisticlly possible
-clouds suck, not a lot of detail to them and all are at low alt.
-high alt flight looks like you are in space or nearing it, panning down it looks like you are looking through a non-magnified periscope
-there doesn't seem to be much of a difference in high alt flight espeically with Russian or Japanese planes.
-all planes dive at the same speed regardless of weight or power, not realistic
-high up the forests look good but down low the trees are terrible looking
-.303 and .50 cal seems to have little distinction between the two
-many planes FM are either too easy(not historically correct) or porked (again not historically correct) . ie the 109 flys WAY to easy even at high speeds (400+mph) without control lock up, just one example.
-when landing don't use brakes or the plane will flip tail over head almost immediately.
-don't attact enemy airbases the ground crew are snipers, (both sims bomber gunners are snipers)
-FM for various planes change with each new patch
-vast majority of Russian planes seem to be uber planes
they were good but not that good, the Yak-3 was the most maneuverable Russian fighter and at low to mid speeds was as good as the Spit Mk 9, not  better than the A6M
-PF is unfinish and has no campaign between the years of 43-early 45
-freezes as much as CFS 3
-torque vanishes once in the air
-high speed has little to some effect on the planes flight performance you just black out faster



 

[flyingbullseye]

Part 2.  

CFS 3, firepower good points:
-open to 3rd person modelling
-heavy bombers and the campaign to go along with it
-patches from shockwave have improved the sim
-high alt flight has difficulties as it should, affects planes -performance, can see for miles around and not in space
-clouds look great and reach up into the 20k range
-game engine allows the ability for both TnB and BnZ tactics equally
-water could use improvement but one can tell how far their plane is from the drink on any power of CPU
-dynamic campaign not dictated by history
-ground texture the same as IL2, less color variation though but the trees look better
-planes detailed inside and out especially heavy bombers
-with the exception that NOT ALL planes can stall out flight characteristics are much closer to RL.  Try pulling out in a 109 at 400+mph and see what happens.  (think lawn dart)
-US planes don't seem to be porked(I can feel the flames coming for this one)

CFS 3 bad points:
-can freeze up (PF freezes up just as much)
-lack of forests
-cities are sporadic collection of buildings
-no vapor trails at high alt
-damage to plane most likely will usually result in the loss of the plane regardless of where the damage is
-need to work on it to make it run smooth
-out of the box the game is somewhat unfinished
-not all planes have the ability to stall out
    PF looks good for the most part and the many many patches helps with things like water but the FM's just got to me, then some change after each new patch.  I am not saying they are terrible but the way the game is modeled various tactics mainly BnZ are mostly negated, why I'm not sure, probably because the vast majority of Russian planes are TnB planes, but when a paper airplane and a 747 can dive at the same speed something is wrong.(Here comes another flame from the IL2 crowd)  I could over look some minor things like crappy clouds, flat water(again it looks good with the first patch as I found out before I uninstalled the sim) but the thing that kept pissing me off was the FM directed only for the TnB planes while the BnZ tactics were hamstrung.  Fly a P-51, FW-190 ect one will find out they are at a disadvantage especially with an opponent on your six and diving to gain speed makes no difference.
I mostly flew a German campaign, though flew Russian too, and though the 109 is a cool plane and one of my favorites, it was a tricky plane to fly not idiot proof like 1c has modeled.  When I began to use the 190 I found it to be so horribly unstable that even at high speeds and easy pullout on the stick caused it to stall.  The detail is good but with the questionable FM, (CFS 3 is not perfect either but I feel is better), I decided to come back to CFS 3 and am glad I did.  For those that like IL2 say what you will, I am not speaking ill of your choice or look down on you but it is personal preference or uninformed of what the planes could actully do.  I can already see the remarks coming, {so long have fun in a sim not as realistic ect ect ect}, 1c is not any more as realistic as CFS 3, just more or less detailed in certain areas including and excluding the changing FM's with each new patch.    
 

[Oleg_Maddox]

[quote]I have been playing Pacific Fighters for about a month now and love it but wanted to fly on the west front so I decided to give CFS3 a go (also I have recently purchased IR3 and now that CFS3 supports the device I was more inclined to try). Anyway, I was not impressed with the cockpit graphics...when I looked behind me I noticed the cockpit totally disappeared...made dog fighting easier but not very realistic). Also there is no cockpit glare (small but very effective in creating a real environment). Also, the flight characteristics were very docile compared to PF (stalls were very easy to recover).
Question: is there a setting I

[Oleg_Maddox]

[quote author=AvHistory

Part 1


>>>the p51 has a LCOS gun circle but not in CFS3...am i missing a setting or is this to much to ask?<<<

First thing is in WWII the "P-51" did not have a LCOS, the P-51D/K did.