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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Nav » Wed Oct 20, 2004 8:27 pm

Phew!  Made it halfway across France - I think!  :)

Staiduk, I've worked on 'dead reckoning' so far, according to the rules - but I think you should reconsider the GPS ban.   After all, there is no autopilot or 'GPS Hold' or 'Nav Hold' on the DH88; everyone will have to map-read.  In that context the GPS would just be a more convenient form of map!

I happen to know the DH88 well - I actually 'did' the London-Melbourne 'Historical Flight' in it - nearly killed me!  There's a couple of snags about the fuel system, which are NOT covered in the 'Flight Notes' - would it be OK if I warn people?  

Otherwise, unless they think very quickly when one engine stops, they are NOT going to make it!
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Staiduk » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:05 am

Hi Nav; sure it's OK if you warn folks about that Rube Goldberg fuel system; it took me a few flights to get the thing down as well. It's not as if a pilot wouldn't know about it beforehand in RL.

(Geeps - you did London-Melbourne? Yikes - THAT must've been a flight! This one's pretty short - only about 8-9 hours.)

However; I'm going to stick to my guns regarding GPS.
I know it's a pain; but the GPS really does make things too easy. If someone gets lost or chooses an unwise route; that's all part of racing innit?
No GPS puts everyone on the same page. Actually; so would using GPS; but in that case; everyone will be making a beeline straight for Egypt; time will be decided strictly by speed over the ground.
Without it; choosing the best route ahead of time is critical; and part of the race strategy.
(Actually; dead reckoning down to Cairo isn't that tough overall; once you get over the Alps (and a bit past) ground reference is largely coastal; which is quite easy to follow, IMO. :) )


Oh; and BTW - I haven't started yet. I was about to but got called into work. I'll be starting Friday. :)
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Staiduk » Thu Oct 21, 2004 8:10 am

BTW - I agree with you; I love this sleek beast. It's easily the hardest stock plane to fly; temperamental, with limited visibility, and little room for error. You just can't get bored with this thing; there's too much to do! ;D
And man; do you sweat on landing as well!
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Nav » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:16 am

Thanks for coming on so promptly, Staiduk.

That Melbourne trip was 'something' - I though that i might not live long enough to finish it!  Some lovely screenshots made it worthwhile though - like this one of dawn over the Timor Sea:-

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You're the boss over GPS - "But oonder PROtest, surr," as our battery sergeant-major used to say on occasion.  Wait till you try flying for hours with nothing but that crappy little compass to look at!  :)  Still, that's what the real guys had to do.

Glad you didn't rule out going over the Alps.  They didn't have pressurisation in 1934, but they DID have oxygen bottles!  All I have to do now is FIND the b****y Alps!   :)

OK - for the information of other competitors.  IMO, the Comet is the most interesting/beautiful default aircraft on FS2004.  And marvellous fun to fly, the power-weight ratio is terrific, she's a true racer.

But the 'interest' starts (and often finishes, at first) when you try to take off.  In the first place, the DH88 had British engines, which turn in the opposite direction to American ones.  So it swings to the right on takeoff - and HOW it swings!

Make sure that the tail-skid is locked - there's an icon for a sub-panel to lock it.  You'll need full left rudder, and maybe some differential brake as well, to keep her straight.  The other thing is that she doesn't lift her tail herself, like other taildraggers - you have to push the stick FORWARD to get her to do that.  Then get her off as soon as you can, or you'll be visiting ATC in the control tower..........

About fuel, unlike most FS aircraft, some fuel management is required.  Have a good look at the fuel panel - there is a 'crossfeed' setting, but the default setting is 'OFF'.  That means, of course, that the engines are feeding off separate tanks - and de Havilland's undoubted genius extended to making the tanks of different sizes, so that, late in the flight, the one using the smaller tank is liable to stop!  So make SURE that the crossfeed lever is pushed in at all times.

The only other snag comes when you save the flight.  When you reload it, you'll find that the crossfeed will have been reset to 'OFF' - so you may be missing an engine.

OK, you think, 'Ctrl-E' to restart.  Not necessarily so.  Saving the flight also means that the game will have reset the mixture to 'full rich' - so if you're at any height, you'll need to lean it off before you can get the engine re-started.  Luckily there's another sub-panel that shows you the mixture settings, so if you are forewarned there's no problem.

Finally, you'll find that saving and reloading the game has also opened the cowl flaps.  Make sure to close them again.

OK, I've said my piece.  Everything else you need to know is in the 'Flight Notes'.  See you for a beer in Cairo - I plan to be first there, of course, so it'll my shout........
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Wing Nut » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:56 am

Staiduk, where did you find a GeeBee at?  I've been waiting forever for one to come out!

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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Staiduk » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:26 pm

[quote]Staiduk, where did you find a GeeBee at?
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Nav » Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:04 am

Hope you're airborne now, Staiduk.

Just finished the third session - plugging down the Adriatic.

The good news is I have a nice tailwind.  The bad news is that I have ten/tenths cloud just below me.  Recall that you said,

Actually; dead reckoning down to Cairo isn't that tough overall; once you get over the Alps (and a bit past) ground reference is largely coastal; which is quite easy to follow, IMO.


Well, I have news for you  :)

OK though, the compass is good enough.  Only worry I have is that it might be the same at Cairo......and the Comet doesn't have ILS, as you know.
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Staiduk » Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:36 am

ROFL - such is the joys of long distance racing!

Yup; I'm over Bosnia myself; so we're probably pretty close. At least you've got a tailwind - I've had a nasty crosswind the entire trip so far!

BTW - don't worry too much; you're heading for North Africa - those clouds are bound to clear up by the time you get there... ;D ;)
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Nav » Mon Oct 25, 2004 10:44 am

Great, Staiduk!  Thought for a while that I was out on my own.

Strong wind from the west most of the way, therefore partly on my tail.  Changed to a headwind now though.

Past Crete, got my head down running for Cairo now, probably finish tomorrow.
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Nav » Tue Oct 26, 2004 7:16 am

OK, made it.  

Left Heathrow 02.02 GMT, 20th. October.  Arrived Cairo 11.14 GMT, flight time 9 hours 12 minutes.  Pity, I was hoping to 'crack' nine hours.

This is landing at Cairo - I've got other screenshots too, I'll start a screenshot thread when I have more time.

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Good luck Staiduk, hope you can crack the magic nine  :)
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Staiduk » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:16 am

Woohoo! Congrats, Nav!

Yup; I should finish sometime tonight.
Question: when you calculated your time; did you take the time-zone change into consideration? I found that shortly after crossing into France my clock jumped by an hour. :)
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Nav » Wed Oct 27, 2004 7:52 am

Hi Staiduk!

Yes - luckily I'd kept a 'paper record' as well.
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby rob123124 » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:57 pm

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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby Nav » Sat Nov 06, 2004 9:48 am

Hi rob, welcome!

Staiduk and I have finished our runs - you can find our screenshots and experiences, and some advice that may be useful, on 'Freeware Screenshots' - probably on page 4 or 5 by now, though.  Mine is called 'DH88 Comet London-Cairo Race', Staiduk's are "The Race', parts 1 and 2.

Best time so far is 9 hours 12 minutes.  I reckon that's quite beatable, if you have reasonable luck with winds and put your foot down a bit earlier than I did.

Just one thing - keep a rough paper record of distances, times, etc., between sessions.  Staiduk and I both found that the time 'jumped' an hour during the trip.  It may not happen to you, it could just have been the clocks changing from summer time.

Good luck, keep us posted!  :)
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Re: Race, anyone?

Postby JRoc » Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:45 pm

Well, I finally got around to finishing the flight.  Final time: 9hrs 3mins 12sec.  

The weather was somewhat okay, not too cloudy, bits of low fog here and there, but nasty winds  through most of the trip.


Flight notes are as follows: (I've adjusted the departure time to account for the time jump +1 hour)

Departure from London @ 1:12 pm; light fog, nasty crosswind and strong wind shear

2:12 - 1 hour of flight time

The winds have seemed to calm down, smooth sailing for the time being.

3:05 - Reached Germany

Spoke too soon, winds are back.  100 degree course helps smooth out the ride.

3:12 - 2 hrs of F.T.

Debated going through the Swiss Alps, decided against it due to the strong eastwards wind and shears.

4:05 - Crossing into Austria
4:12 - 3 hrs of FT

4:15 - mountains ahoy!

5:12 - 4hrs FT

5:20 - not too sure where I am... Yugoslavia, maybe?

6:12 - 5hrs FT

by this time, it is too dark and cloudy to see land detail

7:12 - 6hrs FT

7:29 - Touchdown @ Larisa, Greece

Had dinner and a good rest overnight, topped up fuel, as I burned quite a bit off during the first 2 hours.

4:37 am - Departed Larisa, Greece

5:37 am - 7 Hr FT - still dark

6:37 am - 8hrs FT - dawn

6:50 - Somewhere over the Med Sea, weather's still not co-operating - I've got to fight to keep trimmed and to maintain a SE course

7:10 - Egyptian coast ahead, the Nile visible ahead (what a relief!)

7:37 - 9hrs FT, turning base at Cairo

7:40:12 - Touchdown at Cairo, Egypt.


I'll get some screenshots up as soon as I can get them to a quality where they're not super jaggy (just getting used to irfanview).
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