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Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:46 pm

This He-219 (prototype of dedicated CFS2 versions in the form of the A2 and A2R1 coming in the near future) is just returning from a test flight with her new Schrage Musik system.
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Sun Mar 21, 2010 8:42 pm

Well. I started out by converting Gurzeka's old He219 from FS2000 to use as a test-bed for the Schrage Musik system.  But this old bird is so cute and since I have the source file, I'm gonna do a new dedicated CFS2 version.  I've already put a panel together,  and Sopwith is thinking about a new skin.   :) :)

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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Mon Mar 22, 2010 4:45 pm

Slowly building the new version from the source on up.
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Ravenna » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:42 pm

Stop it....I'm starting to drool on the keyboard. Beautiful work and I love that 2d panel! 8-)
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby bismarck13 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:14 pm

If you straighten out the Schrage Musik thing maybe I'll have a go at the DVC. I have no clue how to make it so you can aim the guns from the DVC but I imagine it could be done somehow.  I wonder how they did it on the real aircraft????
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Tue Mar 23, 2010 5:40 am

They real deal had a second gunsight mounted on the canopy bow, so that the pilot just had to look up.....the guns were elevated at an angle of 65 degrees, and, of course were mounted in the fuselage just aft of the trailing edge of the wing.
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Speaking of the He-219

Postby Tango_Romeo » Tue Mar 23, 2010 11:54 pm

It's going to be awhile before I can get the new He-219 up and running, but my conversion of Mike's FS2000 aircraft works so well in CFS2 and is just plain fun to fly that I have posted it for download.
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Bonesimoto » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:00 pm

Tom, Gryphon did a 219 for CFS1 and I think Obio took the Gryphon and Gurzeka's 219 and combined them, he has an A5 and A7. Those two of Obio's rework are the only 219s I formerly could get to work, I fly the A7 because it has the Scrage Musik. Here's my point:

The readme for I'm pretty sure it's the Gryphon contains a statement the sight for the upward firing guns is activated by the "hat" key(probably a misspelling of "hotkey"). I'm not versed in CFS2 enough to know what the hotkey" is so I've never used the upward sight. You guys study the Gryphon(it maybe be Gurzeka's)219 it might be instructive on how they did the sight for their 219.

I didn't want to bother Obio asking him 11 dozen questions so I just set my tracers at 80 and sight by a short burst under a given plane. I like to see a stream of fire go up. Obio's mutation of these planes, his A7, is the first plane for CFS2 I ever downloaded when I got the sim back in Oct. The Stirling Heavy Bomber and Short Stirling also don't have a lower turret. Aim for the wing roots!

Bismark informs me the first model 110 to have these guns was the -F model, I hope he does skins and you make a mod for this experimental -F.

Carry on, you all do great work.

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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:34 am

Bones, he did mean 'hat switch', that being the 4-way switch on the top of the joystick.  Pushing it forward gives you an upward view.  8-)

Gryphon did a sight that was activated in that view.  ::)
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Re: Schrage Musik...Perfected

Postby Tango_Romeo » Sat Mar 27, 2010 3:49 am

I've finished adapting the original Gryphon Aviation Schrage Musik sighting system for use on the CFS2 He-219A5.  This system was originally developed for use on their CFS1 He-219.
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Bonesimoto » Sat Mar 27, 2010 6:21 am

You mod has not shown up as of this writing, that's not a problem. It'll be there.

I have the Saitek St-90 joystick and a recent addition from Goodwill, the Logitech Attack 3. Both have their pluses and minuses. I'm pretty sure neither has this "hatkey" though as I said, I got my own method of sighting, but I am looking forward to your mod. There is a sight on the roof of the Fw-190 nightfighter here at Simviation, it's so far back it's useless, without setting a high tracer number it's impossible to get any hits. I get my upper views by using the Shift+Number Pad 8.

A mod I'd like to see is for the top 4 .50 turret on the P-61. I know many were removed, but sometimes flying night missions and standing off and blowing a plane out of the sky from a stern attack gets boring. Being able to turn and elevate those guns would be fun. One of my favorite planes is Akemi-san's Myrt, you can sight the 37mm from a forward view.

Night missions to me are like sub warfare, which I love. You first try to sneak under a plane unnoticed, then looking up and sighting the guns and firing while flying the plane is a challenge but fun challenge.

Have a good one Tom.

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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby ozzy72 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:07 am

Beautiful planes 8-) 8-) 8-)
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Sat Mar 27, 2010 11:51 am

You mod has not shown up as of this writing, that's not a problem. It'll be there.


That's strange, very strange!  Perhaps I'd better redo the upload.

No your joysticks don't have a hat switch....Google the Logitech Extreme and you'll see one that has.

The forward_up view on the hat switch is a 45-degree up and forward view, which works very well with the sight installed.  It's use is self-evident when you look at the screen.  ;)
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Sat Mar 27, 2010 12:14 pm

Apparently something went wrong with the upload last night, so I've reloaded the Scharge Musik conversion kit this morning...maybe it'll make it to the download que by tomorrow.  I had to try twice to get the system to accept it this morning.  LOL  :-/
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Re: Speaking of Schrage Musik...

Postby Tango_Romeo » Sun Mar 28, 2010 9:49 am

[quote]Apparently something went wrong with the upload last night, so I've reloaded the Scharge Musik conversion kit this morning...maybe it'll make it to the download que by tomorrow.
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