Plane want to pitch up???

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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby james007 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:40 am

Kilotango you can write on whatever and whenever you want. I love to hear from different people opinions. I always willing to learn. Weather from this hobby or politics or whatever matter of wants anyone to speak off. As a matter of fact I never realize the original stock planes had this arial dynamic diffect until Burninator brought it up. I"am glad, now I have learn somethng new about this Sim. I do not consider this or anyother Sim the ultimate realistic Sim. That would be simply promoting a Lie. I know CFS2 hs its defficiency when it comes to representing reaility. I still think its one the most comprehensive and complete Sims when it come to epresenting World war two in its totality thanks to its dedicated greater community.

You participation on this forum is more than welcome. I do not care if you find a better solution than mine when a new member has a problem Either. This is not about Egos its about sharing information so we can enjoy this hobby to best of our abilities. I to need to learn a lot about this hooby and other matter. I like it this way other wise life become a bit boring.

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PS reality is less than desire in Sim that represent Combat Avition. Remember Combat Aviation in the real World is mostly very boring. Most missions in World war two where long and non eventual. Most pilots never saw actions or enemy planes and those that did see actions died before they knew what hit them.
Just be careful what ask for or you might get it.LoL
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby kilotango » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:27 pm

I am sorry to say this then, but it seems to me, that you try to get too much control of what other mean or what others opinion is telling you here at cfs2.
I'm glad that you welcome me here, and i'm glad you're willing to learn something new, but don't get catched in "only i know" .
No offence my freind, and i hope we can have a good talk in the future.
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby james007 » Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:46 pm

I"am sorry friend you feel that way. All I have been trying to do is help. You have right to your opinion!


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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby roberthegf » Sat Jan 20, 2007 5:34 am

I just flew the stock F6F and at a 90 degree angle it tracked fine untill it startes a wing tip stall but just a little rudder in the direction of the turn will correct that and the aircraft will continue to track.When the F6F was first tested it was found to be to stable to be a good combat aircraft.The problem was in the wing twist. I can`t remember if they added more twist to the wing or took some out but it must have worked because the pilots loved flying it because it was the most stable gun plateform that we had and it did what it was designed to do and that was out preform the Zero.
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby AvHistory » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:09 am

and it did what it was designed to do and that was out preform the Zero.


Will never happen in CFS2 with stock planes.  The MS stock Zero has a turn rate & G load capability outstripped only by an F-16 Falcon.
The stock F4U by comparison can't help but trip over its shoelaces.  The stock Hellcat is much closer to the Corsair then the Zero in performance.


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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby james007 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:39 am

In my humble opinion it was the pilots and not the Hellcat that made the difference. I flown them in different Sims and they always they have had similar flying charateristics more or less. with CFS2 you need to upgrade them to F6F5 or download B24guy upgraded Hellcat replacement version. No, you are not going to get the perfect Hellcat in this or any other Sim. Or you can hope for is for as close to the real thing as possible.




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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby AvHistory » Sat Jan 20, 2007 12:52 pm

. I flown them in different Sims and they always they have had similar flying charateristics more or less. James007


IMHO they are all over the lot in various sims;
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby roberthegf » Sat Jan 20, 2007 1:58 pm

The F6F-5 done by AvHistory is going to come  very close to the real thing.Try it you can find it at Netwings.
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby AvHistory » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:21 pm

IMHO the difference in the Zero & the Hellcats overall performance level was the design.
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby james007 » Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:33 pm

Rogberthegf good advice. The only way you will know how good the Hellcat flew is to buy a time machine and join our Navy in 1943. Then you need to get lucky and have been given a Hellcat to fly with. After you have been train and flown it in over 90 mission you will really know how good or limit it really was. Thats counting that you have survived your tour .LoL

Other wise you will hear a million opinion by diferent member about their favorite Sims and how much better their AC is over the other Sims. You are going to hear it all.LoL



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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby AvHistory » Sat Jan 20, 2007 6:55 pm

...how much better their AC is over the other Sims....The only way you will know how good the Hellcat flew is to buy a time machine and join our Navy in 1943. James007


Is it true a real Zero can pull almost 12G?
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby AvHistory » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:18 pm

I flown them in different Sims and they always they have had similar flying charateristics more or less. with CFS2 you need to upgrade them to F6F5 or download B24guy upgraded Hellcat replacement version. James007


Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the B-24 guy does very good visual fixes of the MS stock aircraft; not Flight Model enhancements.
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby james007 » Sun Jan 21, 2007 12:17 pm

Hey nice pictures, I love them.

There we go again.LoL

Thats the precise the problem. To much documentation. If you read one document it would say one thing and if read another it would say another. Those beaty of reconstructed replicas will never be flown to their ultimate structural limit. These planes are just to valuable.

All we can do is to build their Airfiles to the best of our educated guess.

PS I read your post on your Father navy experience during World war two and it was quite a dagerous tour off the Okinawa in 1945. I"am proud of him and of those who serve with him. I have read that facing a Kamikaze attack is one of the scraries event a servcemen can experiece.

The Battle of Okinawa was one of the most viciuos Battle that our men had to experience during World war two. It probably cost us more than men we have admitted.

Thank the Lord we did not had to invade Japan after all.

This Address will be posted in honor for all the men that fought and die in World war two. This will be dedicated to the ones in the Pacific. I Honor those of the Europen Theater as well.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgNqzibz ... ted&search





Have a great day!


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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby kilotango » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:03 pm

These are some of the most beautifull pictures i've ever seen of WW2 airplanes. The corsair, what a look.

About "youtube". Sometimes i ask myself. Is this real or is it computer made. Today, you can make anything.

Thank you AvHistory
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Re: Plane want to pitch up???

Postby AvHistory » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:58 pm

Those beaty of reconstructed replicas will never be flown to their ultimate structural limit. These planes are just to valuable.

All we can do is to build their Airfiles to the best of our educated guess.

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This might come as a major surprise but they were not flown to their structural limit in 1943 either.
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