Simviation was added to the Community Pages over the summer after a few conversations with the Aces team.
After the whole Tdragger incident, we were mysteriously removed ::)
I vaguely remember this....
Can anyone remind me in full?! :-?
A sad thing to see Rollerball go..
I really liked Roger..
"Why should I waste my time with a site that only wants to put down what we have tried so hard to create for this community"
Only weakness is knocked easily - & strength comes from within.
Only weakness is knocked easily - & strength comes from within.
Thanks for confirming my faith in you Pete.
I'm proud to have been associated with Pete Daly & Simviation since the very early days. I would like to say that I'm disgusted by the way things are in the FSX forum. Some people seem to have a blind loyalty to Microsoft for whatever reason & continually shout down anyone that has a different point of view, however reasonable that might be. Most of these seem to be relatively new members who we don't know. As they use screen names we have no idea who they are or where they came from. Ridicule & verbal abuse has never been the Simviation way of doing things & this has turned many of the old regulars away, possibly for ever. I for one regret their loss.
PS. This is still going on now. You only have to check out a few recent topics in the FSX forum.
I've given up caring aboiut the community sites page. There used to be great guys at MS PR who would go out of their way to see the REAL community sites - not just the ass lickers. ;D. We got - info - goodies - competition promo stuff - beta stuff for feedback ... as many prview copies as we wanted.
This time I had to buy FSX. 1st time since SimV started - & why??? (quite probably because we don't censor things here)
In what other business would that happen? Not many for sure.
The really sad thing is that MS actually went over the forum thing - .
& it's true - they did .... couldn't take a little un-censored feedback ... ::)
Only weekness is knocked easily - & strength comes from within.
Think about it. ;)
It makes no difference anyway because yahoo, google & word of mouth are king in this age"Why should I waste my time with a site that only wants to put down what we have tried so hard to create for this community"
He seems to miss the forest - a site DEDICATED to what they have created - for the trees - a small handful of members who are entitled to hold whatever views they want. [smiley=evil.gif]
Mike Gilbert from The Aces Team signed up here at Simv to see and hear what people were saying about the FSX Demo.
His SimV name was tdragger.
Here is his blog
http://blogs.msdn.com/tdragger/
During this past Summer, Simviation contacted The Aces Team to be asked to be put on their Community Sites page as they were redoing the entire MS FS sight for the up and coming release of FSX.
After more than a 1/2 dozen emails to them, Simviation was finally "put back on the list".
We were pretty happy about it as we knew that SimV was getting the new server, the new forum and the new look!
Then, 2 months later the FSX Demo came out.
Obviously there was allot of talk about FSX, good and bad.
Mike Gilbert from the Aces Team signed up at Simv under the name "tdragger" to get some feedback and try to help out a bit. Mike got slammed by a few members, some have left and and some are "ex-members". But it does not take much to see why he left. I had sent him an email and he had responded with basically,
"Why should I waste my time with a site that only wants to put down what we have tried so hard to create for this community".
Here is the thread that we assume got SimV removed from the Community pages and put on the "add ons" section instead.
http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb2 ... 57236943/0
This was Tdragger's last post at Simv and is taken from that thread. 2 days later we were removed from The Community Pages.Posted by: tdragger Posted on: Sep 4th, 2006, 11:12am
A very interesting discussion to be sure. It's a bummer, though, that our desire to be more open has been met with such skepticism. I suppose some of it is inevitable given the official quietness for all this time.
As for all the forum and blog posts being some sort of conspiracy, concocted and endorsed by marketing, that's particularly hard to take, especially to those of us who lobbied management to go along with this more open approach. It was rooted in a desire to share what we've done and to help users get the most out of a very complex "game". And for the most part it's all happened on our own time. For instance, it's Labor Day morning right now and I could be watching Jay-Jay the Jet plane with my daughter but instead I'm trolling the forums, looking for questions I can answer.
But my time isn't unlimited. I only recently started checking SV but it seems like several of you are both prominent members of this community and definitely against this sort of participation from MS. Unfortunately with forums you can't really limit your conversations with just the people who want to listen. Inevitably threads like this arise and draw attention away from the core intent--to help and inform. So thanks for the invite to participate. It's been interesting to "meet" another group of dedicated simmers but as for me, I need to be mindful of my time. Check in with me on a blog when FSX comes out. I hope you really find some things in it you like.
Dave
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