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Cameron Park plane crash.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gOaAZ1i2gNA

Hot ..... High ..... Heavy ...... and taking off with a tailwind.

Not a good combination ...... as the footage shows.

Yes ,is realy strange because that plane earn speed to lift up very fine ,Its like suddenly it would ran out of air...


EDIT:Wait a minute , that jerk (RIP) didn't low the flaps at all ,take a look again!!!!

Flaps could very well have made the difference there... but the biggest mistake was taking off with a tail-wind. We don't know his fuel load, so assuming that he was too heavy is wrong (for now).

Flaps would have shortened the take-off roll.. AND steepened the climb a bit.

Couple of classic points to note here. When you push things to the limit, it's risky..

Had he stayed in ground effect a few seconds more and built up a little more speed, he might have got out of there, albeit with some foliage in the landing gear. Unless he got the gear up right away, which also seems wise to me in this case.
Not that I would've tried what he did in the first place, though...  

And yes, no flaps... why??

This is classic "don't" footage- you can clearly see that he's trying to get the nose up but she's not having it, because the wing is stalling... it wallows and begins to sink, because the pitch input has just made things worse. I watch that, and my hand moves forward instinctively.... "get the nose down!"

Worst part is that when the aircraft does touch down, they're doing OK, considering.
But  when it hits that berm...  :o  It just hasn't decelerated enough. I wonder if he even pulled the power back as it touched down...?

Interesting.
I was hoping to hear from some of you experience pilots as that could be any GA flyer.
Thanks...

Here's a full-length clip:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WLkW6ktt6V8

Can't tell for sure what direction the wind is coming from, but you can see it's blowing, all right.

This is classic "don't" footage

The more I ponder this, the more it's making me ill...

8-) The FAA still loking for the cause of this accident, It took me 2 times to see this video and realize about the flaps, EErrmm ! Do you think the FAA Could consider me as ""Special Investigator Agent""

I found a video of the whole incident here. http://www.placerville.info/two_crashes_from_cameron_park_on_same_day-08-41-08-31-2007.html
After watching it several times I'm not sure how you can tell if it was taking off downwind. I've read several reports on this incident & although this was the second accident at the airfield that day the wind is not mentioned as a factor in either. There are unconfirmed suggestions that the second one might have been overloaded & that the high temperature might be a factor. One report says that the pilot "flew B-52s" in the Air Force. It doesn't confirm whether he was a USAF pilot or other aircrew. http://www.edhtelegraph.com/articles/2007/09/12/news/top_stories/04plane.txt

This reminds me of a similar incident at Popham last year, fortunately with happier results. The aircraft was a Piper Tri-Pacer. This is the second link I've posted to the Sun newspaper today. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article58033.ece
This is the official investigation report. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources/Piper%20PA-22-150,%20G-ARCC%2012-06.pdf

Jeez, notice the paramedic giving CPR  :'(

Been doing some research...

That's a 4050 foot runway @ 1300msl.. much more than an A36 at MGTW would need, even on a very hot day..

A36 useful load is about 1100lbs.. Photos of the pilot and wife look to put them at 400lbs between them. At 170lbs each for the passengers..