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Re: OMG! It's hard to listen to this as you watch the scener

Postby OldAirmail » Mon May 16, 2016 10:23 am

pete wrote:
We also are in the situation where most young people rarely use PC's for entertainment ....


Ahhhh.....

Social media. Where the youth of today can mangle a language that they can't spell, to tell about their latest robbery. :doh:

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I know, I know - old people. Talking about back in the day when we did something challenging outdoors.


But it's not all bad. Kids today can do more things at the same time than we could when we were young.

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Unfortunately, you don't know for sure if that's a girl or a boy, do you. :lol:
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Re: OMG! It's hard to listen to this as you watch the scener

Postby Flacke » Tue May 17, 2016 9:47 pm

Hi OldAirmail, your first experience with MSfS was very common. Many years ago I had to visit the homes of friends and relatives who were amazed when I told them how much I enjoyed Microsoft flight sims. They all said that they bought it, tried it and then quit. They said the airplanes flew terribly and were almost uncontrollable etc etc etc.
When I checked out their setups I found that some of them had a terrible computer that was really not good enough for to be even usable for simming. Then I found one of the worst problems. They almost invariably had no idea how to adjust the settings to make the airplanes fly properly. Even their Cessna 172 was unflyable . Next came TRIM, they did'nt have trim set up because they didn't know what it was and how important it is. They were trying to fly training missions or cross-country flights with the trim pulling UP constantly or DOWN constantly! That was no fun for anybody so they gave up and quit.
Providing they had a decent computer I would first adjust their settings and show them how to do it. Then I showed them how to set-up and use TRIM. They were amazed at the differences and now they had some fun and knew a little about how to use MSFS.
I am hoping that Dovetails Flight Trainer will get some of these new Pilots up to speed and keep them interested and moving forward.
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Re: OMG! It's hard to listen to this as you watch the scener

Postby pete » Wed May 18, 2016 2:08 am

I flew one of the 1st MSFS (FS2 I think) for the 1st time on a pre windows computer.
Being a real pilot I was bowled over how realistic it was - and in my entire FS life - the only settings I have adjusted is to put all sliders to max or near max -- and I have never had a top of the range PC.

Nor have I ever purchased any addon - all free. My only bugbear is the ground scenery at low altitude and that's why I'm watching what happens on the Google Earth front.
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Re: OMG! It's hard to listen to this as you watch the scener

Postby Jean Loup » Wed May 18, 2016 1:04 pm

pete wrote:I flew one of the 1st MSFS (FS2 I think) for the 1st time on a pre windows computer.
Being a real pilot I was bowled over how realistic it was - and in my entire FS life - the only settings I have adjusted is to put all sliders to max or near max -- and I have never had a top of the range PC.
Nor have I ever purchased any addon - all free. My only bugbear is the ground scenery at low altitude and that's why I'm watching what happens on the Google Earth front.

In January 1952 I flew for the first time in a Tante Ju from Iberia, on the lap of my uncle Otto who was the pilot. I had my hands over his controling that aircraft, the sounds of three radials mixing with creaking corrugated aluminum & the wispering wind all over, is one of thee best memories!! We flew from Pamplona to Madrid & back. In January 1956 I crossed the Atlantic in a Super Connie of Air Françe.

Just arriving in México, I started gluing plastic aircraft sine 13 years of age (1956), back then some Lindberg models had mouvable control surfaces & retracting gears. I was 16 when I started to build (& loose!) balsa wood rubber powered free flights. Since the wind would take most of them into eternity, I decided to change for Control Line (RC was very very expensive then), prefering Scale. My first Fokker D.VII (with Baby-Bee .049 & no starter spring then: we had brave fingers!!) was so paint-heavy that it just hung from the propeler before hiting the ground & braking the prop. Little by little (& splatering a lot of balsa wood) I advanced to .35 Fox engines & semi-scale for flight enjoyment, plastic props & third line for engine control. Fingers got braver & braver!! I still have some marks on my right hand index... backfiring is a bitch! :whistle:

On one of my trips to the mexican pacific coast border with Guatemala (1965) I met this captain fumigating cotton fields from a Kaydet bipe. He invited me to fly the Cañón del Sumidero (today under water because of a dam) for a recognition & photography mission. When he handed me the controls, we were both surprised that I had "the feeling" & did not over control, a common beginers error. It turns out that Control Line practice had given me that feel, the time lag between command & response. Since then I held controls flying in a Maule, a Bf-108 of CAF, a few Cessnas, a Piper Cub... and flew in many ultralights with an instructor. Have not flown any aircraft solo yet, nor aplied for any license (no time & no money). Only in Skydive I went solo in a 30 jumps course.

As for Flight Sims, I started using PC's in 2002, with ME OS nightmare... learned how to install XP. Had my first Lap with Vista in 2012 with enaugh specs to install a copy (now THREE COPIES!!) of FS 2004 from a DVD. FS 2004 was still not that convincing but not flying at all was worst. Since I had controlled real aircraft, I never had any problem flying with the default (& AWFULL!!) FS9 configuration. Then, I joined Simviation & entered this Forum Q&A, where I learned how to configure my Lap Vista for efficiency, configure FS 2004 with all sliders to the right & configure the FS9 file. Now, FS 2004 is as smooth as a princess... skin! :clap: :clap: :clap: Never purchased any addon either, Pete: all free-shareware mostly from Simviation. ABRAZOS
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Re: OMG! It's hard to listen to this as you watch the scener

Postby Jean Loup » Wed May 18, 2016 1:18 pm

Flacke wrote:...Even their Cessna 172 was unflyable . Next came TRIM, they did'nt have trim set up because they didn't know what it was and how important it is. They were trying to fly training missions or cross-country flights with the trim pulling UP constantly or DOWN constantly! That was no fun for anybody so they gave up and quit...

But the Flying Lessons in FS 2004 tells all about the TRiM very clearly, from LESSON 1: STRAiGHT & LEVEL FLiGHT (fly this lesson now) :snooty: :think: :pray:
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Re: OMG! It's hard to listen to this as you watch the scener

Postby OldAirmail » Wed May 18, 2016 4:28 pm

Jean Loup wrote:....

But the Flying Lessons in FS 2004 tells all about the TRiM very clearly, from LESSON 1: STRAiGHT & LEVEL FLiGHT (fly this lesson now) :snooty: :think: :pray:

But what boy bothers to read when there is so much excitement at hand!

Most of us think that we're Superman, we can just take to the sky and fly! :D

Maybe I'm not so grow up. :roll:



It occurs to me that a great many who would need a training simulator will wait to get the full free flight sim. :think:
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Re: OMG! It's hard to listen to this as you watch the scener

Postby Flacke » Wed May 18, 2016 11:04 pm

[quote="Jean Loup".
But the Flying Lessons in FS 2004 tells all about the TRiM very clearly, from LESSON 1: STRAiGHT & LEVEL FLiGHT (fly this lesson now) :snooty: :think: :pray:[/quote]

Yes Jean , there is a lot of good, and important info. available in the various MS flight sims. But many people don't take the time to find it, study it, and practice it. I think that from my experiences with people in the past they want to jump in and go flying like its a simple " game". Its not, it requires some effort to set up and learn to fly properly. For those who take the time to learn it, flight simming can be a constantly changing and enjoyable experience for life.
You know, like WOMEN!
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