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Interesting Place

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 10:55 pm
by Splash
;D
Found this while toolin' around CFS2 and thought it was interesting.

Wow!!!, What is that?, or Am I seeing things?

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Theres an airport up here?  Must be a secret installation.

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Wanna land?  No?  Geez, are they shootin at us???

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Oh Shooing us away!!!!  Ha Ha  Beautiful sight tho'!!!

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Lets get outta here, b4 they transfer us there and I bet theres no nightlife there.

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Splash ;D

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:46 pm
by Travis
Tell me that's something you added.  If its stock, there's something seriously wrong with CFS2! ;)

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:50 pm
by ysteinbuch
Something out of "Close Encounters of the Third Kind?"  ;D

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2003 11:55 pm
by RichieB16
It's probably one of those cases where someone put a 1 instead of a 0 or something.  Looks cool though.   ;D

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 12:00 am
by Travis
BTW, what a/c is that?  Looks interesting . . .

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:19 am
by GeForce
[quote]BTW, what a/c is that?

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:32 am
by Omag 2.0
That must be the illusive P-102 !  ;)

Just be sure not to overshoot the strip, when landing at that place! could be painfull!

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:35 am
by Hagar
You guys disappoint me. It's a P-82 Twin Mustang as used in the Korean conflict. http://www.boeing.com/history/bna/p82.htm

Basically 2 P-51Ds bolted together. The DVC would look just like the one in the conventional P-51 except for twin-engined controls & instruments.

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 2:49 am
by BFMF
interesting aircraft....

I'm sure it was odd having your co-pilot in another compartment

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:07 am
by Hagar
By no means the first time it had been done. Check this out.
http://www.unrealaircraft.com/hybrid/pages/H109_z.php

& how about this. ;)
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Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:26 am
by BFMF
Were the Germans trying to copy everything....lol

But in actuality, the Germans wouldn't have even known since the P-82 didn't even fly untill after the war in Europe was over.

Did the ME 109Z ever make it into combat?


& how about this ;)
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Holy cr@p!

What kind of aircraft was that? Who designed it?

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:50 am
by Hagar
Were the Germans trying to copy everything....lol

But in actuality, the Germans wouldn't have even known since the P-82 didn't even fly untill after the war in Europe was over.

Did the ME 109Z ever make it into combat?

No Andrew, quite the reverse. Germany did it first as they do with most things. Britain, America & Russia used much German research in the post-WWII period. It was this that led to space travel & putting the men on the moon. I don't think the Me 109Z was ever built. I've never seen a photo of it.

Holy cr@p!
What kind of aircraft was that? Who designed it?

The 5-engined aircraft is the He 111Z, basically 2 He 111 aircraft joined together. It was built & used successfully to tow the huge Me 321 Gigant transport glider. They had previously used 2 conventional He 111 bombers flying side-by-side but experienced a number of take-off accidents.

PS. This photo shows the Me 321 being towed by 3 BF 110 twin-engined fighters. It also used a RATO pack. http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg1900.jpg

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 3:59 am
by BFMF
No Andrew, quite the reverse. Germany did it first as they do with most things. Britain, America & Russia used much German research in the post-WWII period. It was this that led to space travel & putting the men on the moon. I don't think the Me 109Z was ever built. I've never seen a photo of it.


If it was never built, how could we have copied it in such a short period after the war ???

The 5-engined aircraft is the He 111Z, basically 2 He 111 aircraft joined together. It was built & used successfully to tow the huge Me 321 Gigant transport glider. They had previously used 2 conventional He 111 bombers flying side-by-side but experienced a number of take-off accidents.


I can imagine the problems they had with two seperate aircraft trying to tow a single object. Must have been a nightmare.

Did they ever put that design to use after the war?

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:05 am
by Hagar
This photo shows the Me 321 being towed by 3 BF 110 twin-engined fighters. It also used a RATO pack to provide its own boost. http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/images/lrg1900.jpg
This was found to be extremely dangerous & often resulted in fatal collisions & the reason the He 111Z was developed.

The Me 321 was eventually fitted with 6 engines, becoming the Me 323 & making the tug aircraft redundant. It was the largest aircraft in the world at the time.

Re: Interesting Place

PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:14 am
by Hagar
If it was never built, how could we have copied it in such a short period after the war ???

Scientists from the 3 main Allied countries followed their troops as soon as possible to grab the German secrets before they were lost or destroyed, or grabbed by one of the others. LOL
Many German scientists & aircraft designers were offered freedom from possible prosecution for war crimes in exchange for taking jobs in the various countries. One such scientist you might have heard of was Werner von Braun. http://www.12tharmoredmuseum.org/capture.asp

I'm not saying the Twin Mustang was a direct copy of the Me 109Z but the idea was not exactly a secret.