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Just released some new images of one of the F15's that are in production at I3D.
More Images at www.mnm-fs.com

freeware or payware.

Just checked out your site......Very nice stuff, so far.......

freeware or payware.

Payware

To be honest with, I really don't think any person with a head over his shoulders will buy it. It does looks great, as usual fro I3D, but with all those new freewares that are gMax or FSDS2 models, I don't think anyone will want to buy from you this high quality product when he can get high quality without any dollar spent.
Just think about it...

Erez:

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but perhaps you're not the type of person in our demographics we are seeking and that's OK.  

But there are people out there have been waiting for this for the FS Community. I can assure you that from my consverations with current and former pilots, IPs and pure pursuists wanting to learn and operate the aircraft.  



Julian
I3D

Freeware vs. Payware battle...

no, no software that does not stand by itself deserves to be paid for

Erez:  
 
You are certainly entitled to your opinion but perhaps you're not the type of person in our demographics we are seeking and that's OK.  
 
But there are people out there have been waiting for this for the FS Community. I can assure you that from my consverations with current and former pilots, IPs and pure pursuists wanting to learn and operate the aircraft.

I understand you too Julian, but this is a special case....
You see, there is one new freeware F-15 which is extremely excellent.....
I'm talking about the model by Kimitaka Nishida. you got to try it out yourself (the lowest file):

http://www.simviation.com/files/1military/F-15CBaz.zip

There is another model just on top of it of another F-15C and F-15E, but without insulting it's creator, the lower one is a bit better (though it's the best F-15E I ever saw) .
My personal opinion is that a 3D model can't get much better than this, even if they are as good as your models guys...can't remember if it has a VC, but I do know about a great panel you can add to it. I'm sure your model will have a VC, but [glb]I[/glb] myself wouldn't buy a payware just for a VC... can't say about the others though...
And julian, what do you mean by saying:

"but perhaps you're not the type of person in our demographics we are seeking and that's OK. "

?

it means he is looking for stupider people to buy his products. you are too smart to pay for something like that

i think Erez is right...there are plenty of HQ planes available...just take a look to the ET from DSB or the Meljet planes...

btw this Strike Eagle looks good too!  ;)

Here's what I mean.  This is the Falcon 50 posting, farther down.  If this plane is not payware, then it deserves to be.  Someone put a LOT of work in to it and it is certainly of higher than average quality.  If anyone could do this, then I would say ok, everything is freeware, but this is a thing I certainly couldn't do.  How about you?

http://www.simviation.com/cgi-bin/yabb/ ... 1057297624

Gentlemen,

You are completing miscontruding in what I meant. What I meant by demographics are the individuals the seeks to experience or relive of flying the aircraft. Like I mentioned earlier, there are a lot of former and current MIL pilots that wanted something in what we're doing in the FS community.

So what are we doing exactly?

Well, here we go:

- The modeling of flight control laws (FLCS) of the CAS/SAS, FBW system

- Proper avionics for the navigational systems. If there's time, we'll divulge even further

- Correct flight dynamics by using aerodynamic and propulsion data that will match the aircraft's flight performance with input from the pilots themselves that fly the aircraft


- the correct HUD for the aircraft.

- correct ramp-up procedures

- and there are more but I won't list them all here.

Our products aren't for the norm and shouldn't be thought of in that fashion.

Our products aren't your typical freeware downloads.

To tell you the seriousness of our products, the upcoming release of our T-37b will be used by the UPT (undergraduate pilots in training) by the USAF. That should tell you how complex our products are.


Julian

PS: by the request of DSB's David Brice, I am in the process of working a flight model for the Typhoon with the input of a Luftwaffe Test Pilot since the release had FM descrepancies.

If this is how people treat developers here at Simviation, I won't bother posting here ever again.

Mark Twain once said:

"It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."  

I think certain people here need to heed that saying and SHUT THE HELL UP!!

Julian, I think I understand your point. You say that anyone can buy your airplane, but it is meant for peoples who wants to fly the real world Eagle (and can't) and you are supplying them a product which is "as real as it gets".
You got the right and ability to do so.
Don't be so mad at us. I don't question your product and I believe that if all the things you listed above will be there, then it will be one of the most high quality paywares ever.
Alright..... supposed you create this ultimate aircraft (and again, no doubt you won't), how many peoples are out there that were ones pilots and peoples who worked on it and play just this Flight Simulator and will to want to buy this airplane? without geting to numbers, I can tell you.... not much. Definitely not enough for the work you put into it. Again,  my opinion only.
Good luck with it anyway