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TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 12:29 am
by BHOFMX
OK, OK, I've got the book out
CD player, sunroof, sparetire,
No, there,s no tailhook button
Image


:o :o :o

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 12:45 am
by ozzy72
That could be because there isn't a Naval variant of the Typhoon?
However if you go into your keyboard assignments you can set a tailhook button ;D

Ozzy

PS. It'll only work on models with a tailhook that isn't connected to the flaps ;)

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 3:48 am
by Ivan
was there ever one planned after dassault left the project?

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 7:09 am
by IAFpilot03
I don't think so, non of the countries developing it have carriers (Britain does not own any "real" carriers) so there wouldn't be a need for a carrier variant, however, I'm guessing that like most warplanes out there, it too has a tail-hook, for emergency breaking (I know all IAF aircraft have one)

Iafpilot

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 10:58 am
by Tequila Sunrise
Actually the Royal Navy is set to get two new fleet carriers in about ten years so a carrier varient is plausible, if we don't go for F/A-18 E/Fs or the conventional carrier variant of the JSF ;D
meaning I may have to reconsider the Fleet Air Arm over the RAF for my potential career  as a pilot ;D

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 1:25 pm
by Iafpilot3
10 years is a long time mate,
they would have to be pretty stupid to go for a full-size carrier, and here's why:

the F-35 is a support aircraft, a "diet-F22" if you will, it's there to help the F-22, work together with it, its carrier version is fantastic, but you don't build up naval airpower out of one aircraft variant.

Judging by the developement on the Israeli and American front, in ten years tactical UAV's are gonna slowly step in for human pilots and do the "dirty work". in which case a plane like the X-45 doesn't really need a big carrier, just one of those heli carriers the British navy owns at the moment.

the F-35 is set to replace the Harriers in naval action, it has V/STOL capabilities, like the harrier, and does not require a catapult, or a big deck.

now why would the British navy spend billions on a new carrier when its heli-carriers are perfectly capable of taking on these (or other similar) aircraft?

kinda reminds me of their decision to take the gun off the Eurofighter, that's what the US did with the original Phantoms, turns out that once you're out of missiles you can't shoot anything down with a "clean" nose ;)

Iafpilot

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 3:51 pm
by Woodlouse2002
[quote] Actually the Royal Navy is set to get two new fleet carriers in about ten years so a carrier varient is plausible, if we don't go for F/A-18 E/Fs or the conventional carrier variant of the JSF ;D
meaning I may have to reconsider the Fleet Air Arm over the RAF for my potential career

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:38 pm
by BHOFMX
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Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 5:49 pm
by Woodlouse2002
I try to make a funny and
spark a heated debate on
international arms :o

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It is an honor to be a
member of this forum!

thank you
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Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2003 6:47 pm
by Tequila Sunrise
Like woody said the JSF will have a V/TOL varient, but it will be hevier slower , have a larger RCS and a lower payload capability. Its also being designed to replace not just the F-16, but the F-18 and Harrier and possibly A-10, I'll have tto look that up. As to building a naval air power on one type it used to be imposible but that was because of the way aircraft were designed, high wing aircraft made good bombers but were cumbersome while low wing aircraft were agile but had low payloads, now with the arrival of fly-by-wire technology computers can corect for aerodynamic inbalances allowing one type to conduct several mission variants often in one flight, thus allowing aircraft to self escort. There are a few examples of this already in service ie: F-16 (replaced A-7D attack aircraft and F-106 interceptors), Rafale (replaced Etandard strike aircraft, F-8 interceptors ine the Aeronavale and Mirrages in the Armee del Aire), also the Eurofighter is set to replace Tornado F.3 Interceptors, Jaguar Gr.3 attack/recon aircraft and possibly Tornado Gr.1A recon and Gr.4 bombers in the RAF, Tornadoes of the Luftwaffe, Luftmarine/Marineflieger, Tornadoes and F-104s f the Italiam airforce and F-18s of the Fuerza aeria)

Sorry about the 12 line sentance  :P

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 12:47 am
by IAFpilot03
about the F-35, there is no Boeing variant, the F-32 lost (although it was far better) a while ago, and developement on the F-35 is in its final stages, and no, it can't be the backbone of the navy because it's designed to be the 'quantity' rather than 'quality' factor in the airforce. although some aircraft can take on the role of "fighter-bombers", the F-35 is not one of them, it's simply there to fly alongside the 101 million dollar F-22 and take out aerial threats.

IAFpilot

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 3:26 am
by asnamara
about the F-35, there is no Boeing variant, the F-32 lost (although it was far better)


mah zeh!! :o
sorry dude, but that's a bunch of bullocks..
F-32 was not better at all, you work for boeing or something?? ;D

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 6:49 am
by Woodlouse2002
I am glad the Boeing one lost for 2 reasons.
1. It was rubbish
2. Boeing do not need the cash the project would have brought in.

The F22 would never have made the backbone of any airforce. At 101 million its too much even for americas defence budget. The JSF project was designed to replace most military fighters in service today. It was designed to be cheap to make (in relation to the F22 anyway) and was to replace the Harrier in its STOVL role. However I do not think that you can build an aircraft that can take over from conventional aircraft and STOVL aircraft at the same time.

The F35 is designed to be a fighter bomber. It would have to be if it was ever going to replace the Harrier. The F22 is simply far too expensive to have in even medium numbers let alone large. That is why the JSF project was borne. To give Britain and America a good all round fighter that is affordable to both nations.

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 8:11 am
by Tequila Sunrise
The F-35 can and will be a fighter bomber just like every plane it is replacing ::)

Re: TAILHOOK

PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2003 8:39 am
by Craig.
i see little need for the JSF right now or in the future, like someone said up there a little, the navy could spend half the cost on upgrading the harrier and it would still be a perfectly good plane many more years, the tornados are still great planes, and still the only decent low level bombers going today. need something to replace the jaguars though.
personally i think the royal navy should have gone for some F-14's may be a little older, but they are still alot better than the F-18, faster, longer range, able to attack more targets, and a higher payload.
plus they are prob cheaper because of their age. but oh well