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Old Bone

Postby RollerBall » Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:43 pm

Relaxing tonight, put together a sequence of shots from Logan to La Guardia. But I just found this gem among em and thought I just had to share it. Totally uncropped and unedited.

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Re: Old Bone

Postby Craig. » Mon Apr 19, 2004 4:45 pm

great shot:)
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Re: Old Bone

Postby ozzy72 » Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:34 pm

An awesome shot Roger, simple, elegant yet raw power in its element. I think I might nip off for a spin myself ;)

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Re: Old Bone

Postby tvale80 » Mon Apr 19, 2004 6:56 pm

great pic ;D
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Re: Old Bone

Postby FLYING_TRUCKER » Mon Apr 19, 2004 7:14 pm

Lovely looking aeroplane :)

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Re: Old Bone

Postby RollerBall » Tue Apr 20, 2004 1:43 am

Cheers gents

I've got the original shot as my desktop at the moment  - 19" monitor 1280x1024 pixels - and it is truly almost indistinguishable from a real photo.

Hats off to I3D for an excellent visual model. See threads elsewhere - pity they mucked the whole thing up by using their stupid installers for everything.

The FDE left a lot to be desired but that was easy enough to fix.
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Re: Old Bone

Postby trevyuk2001 » Tue Apr 20, 2004 3:57 am

Hmmm, the fde left alot to be desired......interesting comment.

The fde was and is as close as we could get it using the data that is available, also substantial assistance from bone drivers made sure she flew as accurate as was possible within the bounds of FS8(2002). We have made a few changes to the fm for FS9, but its still being looked into. There were several issues with force feedback sticks that we fixed in a patch.
Even tho the aircraft has the ability to produce some mind blowing amounts of thrust, she is still a very large and cumbersome aircraft, and the engine data is pretty much spot on according to the real life drivers comments.
There were several faults with the installer, and hopefully we have ironed all those errors out.
Lovelly shot of her tho.....
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Re: Old Bone

Postby RollerBall » Tue Apr 20, 2004 6:09 am

Hi Trev

Good to hear from you. Congratulations on the visual model and textures. Really excellent.

Obviously I've never flown a real one (!) so I can't comment on the accuracy of the fde compared to the genuine article. But what I generally do when I look at an FDE is chop it into three stages - the take off and climb, the en route and the descent and landing.

OK, the following comments don't all refer to the Bone but some do.

I do expect a heavy to take off and climb with full fuel at the 'right' sort of speeds with 'reasonable' flap settings within a reasonable distance. I don't expect when it's on full power in the take off phase climbing at a reasonable rate for the aircraft type to be like flying on egg shells in case it stalls out. That is not realistic. On the other hand I don't want to see the opposite, a climb rate like a rocket that could never be achieved by the plane in reality.

Same goes for the climb to altitude. You expect to be able to get there but not at a steady 2000fpm. POSKY had a probelm that they just would not admit to a couple of years ago where it was almost impossible to get any of their large aircraft to realistic cruise altitudes with fuel without stalling out, something that bore no real comparison to the flight envelopes of the real aircraft. Anyone who has done a flight across the Pond in a 747 knew that.

Finally the descent and landing. You expect there to be enough drag especially with flap to be able to hold, or even reduce airspeed during the descent at a reasonable rate. You don't want to leave your cruising altitude at say 350 kts and be doing another 100 by the time you get to 10000ft!

You also want to have flyable attitudes (eg not wildly nose up, or even down!) with flaps progressively applied at low speeds, including the approach, plus you expect the flap to have the right balance of lift and drag to give the 'right' approach attitude with control over sink rate in conjunction witrh power. The landing should be with the pilot in control at the 'right' speed, not a stalled out, nose up, ungainly return to earth with enough sink to doom the Titanic!

Lastly, in general terms I want the plane to handle in a way that reflects its type - eg heavies don't have pitch and roll rates like an Extra!

OK, these are general comments and the things I look for with all the planes I redo. One thing I would say though is that in my opinion, forget applying the 'real' aircraft specs to the cfg and air file. In MY opinion the M$ model is just not that accurate eg if you put all the 'correct' numbers in I don't think you then get something that flies perfectly like the real thing.

The answer is to play with the files until it 'feels' right, which I think is (my opinion) what explains that old POSKY blind spot that I mentioned above. If it feels right it probably is.

Well there ya go. Probably a bit contentious for a few people but I say what I think and my opinion's as good as the next so-called expert! I like the I3D Bone a lot now I've tweeked the FDE in my own way. It's still a challenge although it's not totally 'right' because I've only spent about an hour or so on it.

I'm certainly keeping it in my collection. Pity about the afterburner effect though - I'd have liked to have kept the landing lights with the burners done a different way maybe ;)

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Re: Old Bone

Postby A/SGT.Mav316 » Tue Apr 20, 2004 10:28 pm

Hi Rollerball,

I see you have managed to create a descent flying bone there. can you share your knowledge on what you altered to get it to be a flyable model. I keep checking I3D team website for a total revamped FS9 Bone version and they have not released one as yet.

The upgrade patch did nothing to improve flyability. I get the bird into the air then ass soon as it gets up the airspeed drops to 0 and the plane kinks to one side and goes into a nose dive and .......well thats all she wrote  :-[! This is a beautiful plane with problems and I am sure everyone as well as yourself agrees.

Can you explain for us in detail, so that we may soak in your experience and learn how to fix this bird and clean the cobwebs off it, as I am sure everyone has it sitting in that dark corner of their hanger waiting for the right person to come along with a great fix to get her airborne and strutting her stuff again ;D!
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